Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: AMuzi Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: How are criminals arrested Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 14:00:06 -0500 Organization: Yellow Jersey, Ltd. Lines: 139 Message-ID: <1036vfo$17pg6$2@dont-email.me> References: <7Ff5Q.1062078$%uk3.987139@fx10.iad> <10346bi$5ghi$1@dont-email.me> <0ccb5kd5tat0tb9ckidjpqkv7mvjm0tl6s@4ax.com> <1034h4t$85ld$3@dont-email.me> <1034jmr$8jua$7@dont-email.me> <1034qc0$9qo9$12@dont-email.me> <1034vl4$b7v8$3@dont-email.me> <1036hpr$1488v$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 21:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bca1b23885d0e80e3a9e353dd8760426"; logging-data="1304070"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+6LIsFsidnTyfsHM4paWh7" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:kQiQRUggBhu72ZEXZIie9lVAfZk= In-Reply-To: <1036hpr$1488v$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 6/21/2025 10:06 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: > On 6/20/2025 8:50 PM, AMuzi wrote: >> On 6/20/2025 6:20 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>> On 6/20/2025 5:26 PM, AMuzi wrote: >>>> On 6/20/2025 4:14 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 15:43:10 -0500, AMuzi >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/20/2025 2:31 PM, Shadow wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 18:41:43 GMT, cyclintom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri Jun 20 17:38:58 2025 Beej Jorgensen  wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But at least he's going to finally get a day in >>>>>>>>> court. Holy moly. Maybe >>>>>>>>> take the easy way next time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>     MAGAtards? I doubt it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When was the last time you served on a jury? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>     Anyone with an IQ higher than a cockroaches' >>>>>>> usually manages >>>>>>> to get off a jury. If the suspect is Latino just say >>>>>>> you don't care >>>>>>> much for Latinos, but don't actually hate them but >>>>>>> would NEVER date >>>>>>> one. His lawyer will reject you. >>>>>>>     It's a PITA. You don't get paid, might even lose >>>>>>> your job if >>>>>>> it takes a long time, and sometimes the family will >>>>>>> seek revenge, or >>>>>>> worse, friends might think you took the wrong >>>>>>> decision.. If you are >>>>>>> self employed, those days are lost. >>>>>>>     You will very rarely see someone with a higher >>>>>>> education >>>>>>> serving in a jury here in Brazil. >>>>>>>     As to "Beej Jorgensen" I suspect he would avoid >>>>>>> jury duty if >>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>     []'s >>>>>>> >>>>>>>     Of course, there are the sociopaths that enjoy >>>>>>> being on a >>>>>>> jury. They get off on the power they get to wreck >>>>>>> someone's life for >>>>>>> good. The more innocent he is, the bigger the thrill >>>>>>> when he's >>>>>>> convicted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>     PS changed the subject. There is no such thing as >>>>>>> a "illegal" >>>>>>> human being. Look it up in the bibel. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll take your word on scripture but illegal aliens are >>>>>> deportable under USA and Brasil statutes, like most if >>>>>> not >>>>>> all countries. >>>>> >>>>>     In Brazil they have a trial. And they can appeal if >>>>> that goes >>>>> against them. But then we're a rich country, we can >>>>> afford those >>>>> little quirks which are practically universal in non- >>>>> totalitarian >>>>> cultures. >>>>>     I hear the US is suddenly bankrupt. Maybe you >>>>> really can't >>>>> afford it. >>>>>     []'s >>>> >>>> [sigh]  This country's been broke since before I was born. >>> How is it, then, that we spend more on military than the >>> next dozen or more countries combined? >>> >>> >> List_of_countries_with_highest_military_expenditures> >>> >>> Oh hey, maybe _that's_ why we're "broke." >> >> Nice story, and it's true because we do have more >> obligations than anyone else, but it's not singularly why >> we're broke. >> >> We grew up in a healthy economy and a Federal budget of >> 50% Defense. Defense is now about 12~14%, see 3d chart here: >> >> https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-does-the-us-spend- >> on-the-military/ >> >> Or as a portion of GNP, now GDP: >> https://econofact.org/u-s-defense-spending-in-historical- >> and- international-context >> >> Actual defense budget over time shows dramatic growth*, >> but not so much inflation adjusted, or in comparison to >> the total economy, nor in comparison to transfer programs. >> >> You can advocate one way or the other, and nearly everyone >> does, but comparison to other countries is rife with >> apples-oranges error. >> >> >> >> >> * One driver is repeatedly expanded veterans' medical >> benefits, which no one want to cut and few want to slow >> those expansions. >> >> Another is the Pentagon's open admission, over many years, >> that they misplace. steal, lose or otherwise piss away >> about half of their very large budget.  Less than other >> Departments, but still a lot of money. > > That sounds like a lot of "yeah but..." > > It's likely that other countries have similar factors at > play, yet still spend far, far less than we do. > > Oh, except one factor most other countries lack is a heavy > burden of veteran medical benefits. Somehow all those other > nations have far more efficient medical systems covering > everyone, so veterans are not a special expense. > Right I am neither a Pentagon cheerleader nor a 'no more wars' advocate. IMHO our military is necessary, albeit expensive, inefficient and poorly managed, but the alternates are worse. As always YMMV and in this case, it does. -- Andrew Muzi am@yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971