Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!pasdenom.info!.POSTED.public-nat-07.vpngate.v4.open.ad.jp!not-for-mail From: Gelato Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: Alternate OS for LG V20? Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2025 22:14:26 -0400 Organization: Message-ID: <102g1i2$ae4$1@rasp.pasdenom.info> References: <1cc4yjsf2ffxd.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <1ba7u24bls7qn$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <1nb4n94rket3u.dlg@v.nguard.lh> Injection-Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2025 02:14:27 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: rasp.pasdenom.info; posting-account="gelatiamenta@usenet"; posting-host="public-nat-07.vpngate.v4.open.ad.jp:219.100.37.239"; logging-data="10692"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@pasdenom.info" User-Agent: tin/2.4.5-20201224 ("Glen Albyn") (Linux/5.10.19-200.fc33.x86_64 (x86_64)) Cancel-Lock: sha1:OTSYeLRbq33yro1BaAzH4kV6Ib4= sha256:k3aVfy1CSCo0wFcJitl7iGh4GjxRBqng/XpV8SSmbYA= sha1:fWXtmzzlCIjyUDmUyom00ckB2ZQ= sha256:GUZBImhrFV6SG1OzPQzm6drj5GTT7XVhcJTLKEwJhJs= On Thu, 12 Jun 2025 13:58:17 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: > What the average usable lifespan of lithium batteries in smart phones? Most last a few years without degradation if they start out big enough. > Since they are not user serviceable by design, the phone becomes useless > because the battery is not replacement, and batteries are chemical, so > they die, and lose capacity before then. The battery doesn't > catastrophically and immediate die. It loses capacity over time (can't > hold as many Coulombs). Built in self destruction. Lifespan could be 3 > to 10 years. 10 years sounds like a long time, but not 3 years. My car > is 23 years old, and still running very well and in great condition. The key is to buy a phone with the biggest starting capacity you can get. > My ancient LG V20 has user-serviceable batteries. It lasted this long > because I could replace the batteries. I could even carry a spare > battery in my pocket for added up-time rather than lug around a power > bank or hunt and hope to find an outlet. The LG V20 was introduced in > 2016, and 9 years later I'm starting to ponder a replacement -- and > primarily due to the lack or discontinued support of an old Android > version by apps. Soon the EU rules will require phone makers to make replaceable batteries. > While I will use my old phone a little longer, I am looking at new > phones with new batteries will get updated many years into the future. > I'm not buying an old phone, and then realizing I've reached its end of > lifespan prematurely. The Moto G52 and G62 came out 3 years ago. > Improvement in hardware has been incremental, and disappointing. > Meanwhile the door keeps moving with new OS versions. Nothing meaningful has changed in phone design in quite a few years. > For now, I've gone into the Play Store app to disable auto-updating on > all apps. The only malevolent actions I've ever encountered on my phone > is the covert disabling of apps that, when updated, mandate a later > version of the OS than where they were working just fine before. Alas, > some apps will disable themselves by ceasing to function if you don't > get their newer version, like no longer communicating with their server, > but then they aren't usable or installable unless I somehow got a newer > version of Android on my phone. The new rules for Samsung A-series is 6 years of full OS updates nowadays. (7 years for Samsung S-series and Pixels)