Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:46:03 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <46aee1bef0e86de4e0d480787ac331b8@www.novabbs.com> References: <2b8df35c18e900e59a7b6aa13369856c@www.novabbs.com> <25c1e5188321b4b9813bc0750704d2be@www.novabbs.com> <9390ea05aaf36ab4f6eeb8fee366727b@www.novabbs.com> <28cad4e393b8be2e173ea8190407e02f@www.novabbs.com> <149d02f34ff0a2a890cbb16f3666e9e1@www.novabbs.com> <454d83f0f1ce54bc49b5617c7107f1db@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2856512"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Vf9CM7g99yqfGvzEHTw0bhrjcIfvzYBBhUuRma0rLuQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: acd0b3e3614eaa6f47211734e4cbca3bfd42bebc X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$yg0YaDH1xahk.VUGi3gTjub3Kx/AgxZpdxWreTOz868BfS26vry/. On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 20:28:18 +0000, HarryLime wrote: > On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:48:20 +0000, Will Dockery wrote: > >> HarryLime wrote: >>> Will Dockery wrote: >>>> HarryLime wrote: >>>>> Will Dockery wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I Met A Girl >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I met a girl >>>>>>>>>>>> she came from California. >>>>>>>>>>>> It was in a dream >>>>>>>>>>>> we knew each other instantly. >>>>>>>>>>>> She was a little freckled girl >>>>>>>>>>>> from out of >>>>>>>>>>>> my high school past. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me >>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey. >>>>>>>>>>>> I've forgotten her name >>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We talked >>>>>>>>>>>> a really detached situation. >>>>>>>>>>>> She said years ago >>>>>>>>>>>> I was so shy >>>>>>>>>>>> she thought I was gay. >>>>>>>>>>>> At this point I kissed her >>>>>>>>>>>> and put my finger to her hole. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And she looked up at me >>>>>>>>>>>> and talked real spacey. >>>>>>>>>>>> I have forgotten her name >>>>>>>>>>>> though she told it to me twice. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know why it was >>>>>>>>>>>> that I would think of her. >>>>>>>>>>>> I made a couple of puns >>>>>>>>>>>> about her name that made me blush. >>>>>>>>>>>> But her softness in tone >>>>>>>>>>>> made me feel all right. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> All I want to do >>>>>>>>>>>> is get in contact. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982 >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Good to see.... >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks again, as I was telling Mummy Chunk, in 1982 when writing these >>>>>>>>>> poems I >>>>>>>>>> was highly influenced by 1950s Beat poets and 1980s punk rockers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So please excuse the foul language. >>> >>>>>>>> We were just having some fun, kissing and making out, as the young >>>>>>>> people used to call it. >>> >>>>>>> That's not how it's depicted in your poem, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes it is, Pendleton, you simply choose to misrepresent the content. >>> >>>>>>> Perhaps you should consider rewriting it so that your "make out" session >>>>>>> didn't take place 30 seconds after >>> >>>>>> You're mistaken, Pendragon, it didn't happen that quickly. >>> >>>>>>> you bumped into this woman you barely >>>>>>> knew (and whose name you couldn't remember), >>>>>> >>>>>> It was over forty years ago, so yes, I confess that I've forgotten her >>>>>> name. >>>>> >>>>> Your poem doesn't say that you'd forgotten over the 40 ensuing years, >>>>> Donkey. >>>>> >>>>> It says that you didn't know her name at the time, and that even after >>>>> she'd told it to you -- twice -- you immediately forgot it. This >>>>> implies that you didn't see her as a person, but entirely as an object >>>>> (a "hole"). >>>>> >>>>> You also derisively note that she sounded "spacey" -- revealing that her >>>>> personality was inconsequential to your desires. You wanted a "hole," >>>>> and she was there. >>>>> >>>>>>> or in response to her >>>>>>> saying that when you were in high school together, she thought that you >>>>>>> were gay. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, obviously she could see this wasn't true. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know about that, Donkey. Back then you were skinny as a rail, >>>>> sporting a white boy afro, and perpetually wearing a pair of dark shades >>>>> (even indoors and at night). >>>>> >>>>>>> That way the only offensive thing would be your >>>>>> >>>>>> I apologize to all who were offended by the graffic depiction of our >>>>>> somewhat tame romantic encounter. >>>>> >>>>> Don't you realize that your "apology" is redirecting the blame on your >>>>> readers? You're sorry if *they* chose to be offended by your "tame >>>>> romantic encounter." >>>>> >>>>> Readers find it offensive because: >>>>> >>>>> 1) the girl appears to be either still in high school, or just out of >>>>> it, >>>>> 2) you make it appear as if you barely knew her, >>>>> 3) couldn't bother remembering her name after she'd told it to you, >>>>> 4) kissed and groped her without her consent (to prove that you weren't >>>>> gay, >>>>> 5) described your "romantic" in crude, impersonal, dehumanizing terms "I >>>>> put my finger to her hole." >>>>> >>>>> Try apologizing for what you wrote (and apparently actually did in real >>>>> life), and not because you think your readers are easily offended. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> misogynistic/objectifying reference to "her hole." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I did apologize to those who were offended by the foul language, >>>>>> and have explained that the writing style was influenced by Best poetry >>>>>> and punk rock. >>>>>> >>>>>> And so it goes. >>>>> >>>>> See above. The language ("hole") is probably the least offensive part >>>>> of your poem >>>> >>>> In your ignorant and conservative opinion, you mean. >>> >>> Did you mean to say "ignorant," >> >> Yes, sorry, that was an autocorrect typo. >> >> It happens to all of us sometimes. > > Some of us more than others, n'est-ce pas? > > >>> My opinion is hardly conservative, >> >> It seems to be, you seem like a rather uptight prude. > > Not at all, Donkey. > > I wasn't exactly living the life of a monk, either. > > I just didn't engage in, or approve of, sexual assault. > > >>> post-"Me Too" era where sexual assault is finally being openly >>> recognized for what it is. >> >> And what it was not in my poem. > > It may have been nothing more than a make out session in real life, but > in your poem, it's depicted as a sexual assault. > > >>>> Compared to the writings of Beat poets such as Allen Ginsberg and >>>> Charles Bukowski and the punk rock lyrics of Sex Pistols and The Clash >>>> my poetry is definitely pretty tame. >>> >>> Good for you >> >> Just stating the facts about what things were like in the New Wave and >> punk rock scene in Atlanta Georgia, May 8th 1982 was like, Pendragon. > > In 1982 I graduated from high school and joined the Navy. I think it's > safe to say that I had I was familiar with similar scenes during that > particular era. > > >>> So you didn't hold a knife to her throat >> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========