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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 02:50:03 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <93226e3e59e9ac34b69f3ee5208ce3de@www.novabbs.com> References: <4d8b2b0d-ec79-49f0-8059-2e8036780694@googlegroups.com> <382aef26-6239-45d8-b9c8-56ee0158e8f4n@googlegroups.com> <37e7f0ac74772cbb1bebb4c5579daddc@news.novabbs.com> <11273bd3-99c7-4159-b9f1-ce1c8266b4b0n@googlegroups.com> <7b6951d3-6401-4a83-bcb6-5aff65141b1en@googlegroups.com> <05ff3659d34064b974adf8b33ac31936@news.novabbs.com> <43f043c97353d78df97649e30e269bf8@www.novabbs.com> <0dec149383de6559bb5d8272d6eb277f@www.novabbs.com> <3f5e72b8e5a2ce5664bdbc696f3ee1c8@www.novabbs.com> <816f343ebd8497eab5ee999aa5c6e3d8@www.novabbs.com> <8ae3cf895dfd7e089c82f8bdc9ec294a@www.novabbs.com> <9f2b9f416efce11ef4d145d7331fad30@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="715337"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Vf9CM7g99yqfGvzEHTw0bhrjcIfvzYBBhUuRma0rLuQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: acd0b3e3614eaa6f47211734e4cbca3bfd42bebc X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$a7So09ZSvXs8AKthqqeyIedOR2J5IhIpANvoncMU57CNOmqc4BYDK MHarryLime wrote: > Will Dockery wrote: >> On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 15:43:26 +0000, HarryLime wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2025 21:03:34 +0000, Will Dockery wrote: >>>>>>>>>> General-Zod wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Faraway Star wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I Met A Girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I met a girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> she came from California. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> It was in a dream >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> we knew each other instantly. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> She was a little freckled girl >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> from out of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> my high school past. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> And she looked up at me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and talked real spacey. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I've forgotten her name >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> though she told it to me twice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> We talked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> a really detached situation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> She said years ago >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I was so shy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> she thought I was gay. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> At this point I kissed her >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and put my finger to her hole. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> And she looked up at me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> and talked real spacey. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I have forgotten her name >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> though she told it to me twice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I don't know why it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> that I would think of her. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> I made a couple of puns >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> about her name that made me blush. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> But her softness in tone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> made me feel all right. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> All I want to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> is get in contact. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > The official version of this poem. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Yes, that matters. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On y second read of this today, it captures that touch of Bukowski but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fully a Doc story... superb... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Zod. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I thank... good to be back...! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Great new art, by the way: >>> >>> https://imgur.com/gallery/hth2PQb >>> >>> https://imgur.com/gallery/BJgjm9m >>> >>> >>>>>>> As I've pointed out earlier, the poem is in the >>>>>>>> Erotic poetry genre, and the characters are influenced by Beatnik and >>>>>>>> 1980s new wave and punk rock zeitgeist of those e >> >> See below: >> >> https://youtu.be/Qb21lsCQ3EM?si=Ire6VgsyvuzQui5j >> >>>>>>>> The poetry is a snapshot from 1982, very different times which you >>>>>>>> apparently missed, Pendragon. >> >> Again ^^^ >> >>>>>>> Admittedly >>> >>>>>>>> objectifying, insensitive >> >> It was a poem based on a dream in 1982. >> >> Those were different times. > > If you're saying that the 1980s were before the "Me Too" movement, and > that sexually assaulting women was both commonplace and accepted among > certain (male) crowds -- that is not an excuse. > > >>>>>>>> Not at all, it's a very accurate depiction of a rock and roll romance >>>>>>>> circa early 1980s >> >> See below: >> >> https://youtu.be/Qb21lsCQ3EM?si=Ire6VgsyvuzQui5j >> >>>>>>>> I know because I was there, I lived it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you >> >> (False accusations snipped) >> >>>>>> No, it was all consensual, read the poem. >> >> Again ^^^ >> >>>>> You do not say that it is consensual in the poem >> >> It's a poem, not every detail is included in a poem. > > That's a very important "detail" to leave unclear. > >>>> It was very clear it was consensual in the poem. >> >> Again ^^^ >> >>>> For example, the girl didn't slap me or yell at me or anything. >>> >>> That's another classic quote >> >> Just saying she was enjoying my company, obviously. >> >> If she wasn't enjoying my company she could have easily walked away. > > Or, as you had previously stated, she would have slapped you or yelled > at you. > > Did women frequently slap and/or yell at you for coming on to them a bit > too aggressively in those days, Donkey? > > >>> Of course she didn't slap you, yell, or otherwise resist -- >> >> Because we were just talking and having a nice time, if she didn't want >> to be with me she could just leave. >> >>> stoned out of her freakin' mind. >> >> Again, it was a poem about a dream and in both she was very lucid > > No... in the poem she "talked real spacey" and your attempts at > conversation came across as a "really detached situation." > > Those descriptions are hardly synonymous with "lucid." > >>> Just because you weren't the one who slipped a roofie in her drink, >> >> >> That's definitely just another figment of your delusional imagination, >> Pendragon. >> >>> doesn't mean that you had any right to take advantage of her when in >>> that state. >> >> For starters, it's a poem about a dream. >> >> I didn't see any drugs in the dream. > > But you did see their effects: she "talked real spacey"/your talk > created a "really detached situation." > > >>> And don't try playing innocent about it. >> >> Play innocent? >> >> I was absolutely innocent of any of these accusations you've making. >> >> You mention, *twice* in your >>> poem that she looked up at you and "talked real spacey." >> >> She came from California, talking real spacey like one of those Valley >> Girls: > > If you meant that she talked like a Valley Girl A lot of young people tried to talk in that way in 1982. ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========