Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: I Met A Girl / Will Dockery Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 21:28:47 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: References: <5a2bfce889e2cb64050274fc8720d1c8@www.novabbs.com> <29a8a7d39443e351e6c8efc71741a62b@www.novabbs.com> <55c9656ceb82c3d6d8a4860bb7f010c3@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="215392"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Vf9CM7g99yqfGvzEHTw0bhrjcIfvzYBBhUuRma0rLuQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: acd0b3e3614eaa6f47211734e4cbca3bfd42bebc X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$sI7jBQZNQg5xwHW/ld5KneHJNZwtnYikPnE5PjN2Cu4oOg4G5xCI2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 21:25:45 +0000, HarryLime wrote: > On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 20:53:52 +0000, W.Dockery wrote: > >> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 19:46:14 +0000, HarryLime wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 6:00:02 +0000, Will-Dockery wrote: >>> >>>>> HarryLime wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 3:47:35 +0000, Will Dockery wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 20:17:40 +0000, HarryLime wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Will Dockery wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:56:44 +0000, HarryLime wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 15:23:14 +0000, Will Dockery wrote: >>>>>> HarryLime wrote: >>>>>> Will Dockery wrote: >>> >>>>>> I Met A Girl >>>>>> >>>>>> I met a girl >>>>>> she came from California. >>>>>> It was in a dream >>>>>> we knew each other instantly. >>>>>> She was a little freckled girl >>>>>> from out of >>>>>> my high school past. >>>>>> >>>>>> And she looked up at me >>>>>> and talked real spacey. >>>>>> I've forgotten her name >>>>>> though she told it to me twice. >>>>>> >>>>>> We talked >>>>>> a really detached situation. >>>>>> She said years ago >>>>>> I was so shy >>>>>> she thought I was gay. >>>>>> At this point I kissed her >>>>>> and put my finger to her hole. >>>>>> >>>>>> And she looked up at me >>>>>> and talked real spacey. >>>>>> I have forgotten her name >>>>>> though she told it to me twice. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know why it was >>>>>> that I would think of her. >>>>>> I made a couple of puns >>>>>> about her name that made me blush. >>>>>> But her softness in tone >>>>>> made me feel all right. >>>>>> >>>>>> All I want to do >>>>>> is get in contact. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Will Dockery / May 8 1982 >>>>>> >>>>>> Good to see.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks again, as I was telling Mummy Chunk, in 1982 when writing these >>>>>> poems I >>>>>> was highly influenced by 1950s Beat poets and 1980s punk rockers. >>>>>> >>>>>> So please excuse the foul language. >>>>>> >>>>>> Referring to a woman's v*gina as a "hole" is considered both >>>> offensive >>>>>> and misogynistic >>>>>> >>>>>> That's why I apologized for the foul language in the poem. >>>>>> >>>>>> But the *language* (the word "hole") isn't offensive >>>>>> >>>>>> In context it could be to some readers. >>>>> >>>>> In context of the poem, it is most definitely offensive. >>>>> >>>>> However, it is offensive for the reasons that I pointed out above. The >>>>> word in and of itself is not offensive. >>>>> >>>>> Words have very specific meanings, Will. >>>>> >>>>> You need to learn how to use them correctly. >>>>> >>>>> When you use a word that doesn't quite mean what you think it means, you >>>>> end up saying something that isn't true... or that isn't what you'd >>>>> intended to express. >>>>> >>>>> "Hole" is not an example of "foul language." >>>>> >>>>> Your use of "hole" in the poem is extremely offensive. But that >>>> doesn't >>>>> make it "foul language." >>>>> >>>>> Foul language is offensive by definition. However, not everything that >>>>> is offensive is considered foul language. >>>>> >>>>> IOW the words "foul language" and "offensive language" >>>> are not the same >>>>> thing. >>>>> >>>>> If I call you a fat, stupid redneck, I am using language to offend you. >>>>> "Fat," "stupid," and "redneck" can all be seen >>>> as offensive words in >>>>> this context. >>>>> >>>>> However, "fat," "stupid," and "redneck" are >>>> not examples of "foul >>>>> language." >>>>> >>>>> Neither is "hole." >>>>> >>>>> It isn't difficult to learn how to use language correctly. But you >>>>> aren't going to learn it by simply picking it up from experience. When >>>>> you read a word in an article, a book, or a Usenet post, you can figure >>>>> out its meaning from its context. However, this method only provides >>>>> you with an approximation of the word's meaning at best. >>>>> >>>>> The fact that you have learned everything you know about writing from >>>>> this method is obvious from your posts. Apologizing for having used >>>>> "foul language" is *close* to being correct. That is to say, it's >>>> close >>>>> enough that others can figure out what you actually mean without much >>>>> difficulty. >>>>> >>>>> And while this sort of thing is acceptable in casual, spoken >>>>> conversations, it is not acceptable when writing literary works, or >>>>> conversing with other writers online. >>>>> >>>>> If you want to be a writer, you need to learn how to write. >>>>> >>>>> If you want people to take you seriously in Usenet and other social >>>>> media platforms, you need to learn how to write. >>>>> >>>>> And the only way that you're going to learn how to write is by enrolling >>>>> in a series of online courses. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for the advice but I've been writing poetry for over 50 years, so >>>> I >>>> know what I'm doing. >>> >>> Obviously >> >> >> Exactly: > > LOL! Published by your friend, George Dance. > > You've never had a *real* publication credit in your life. > > >> Thanks again for asking, Harry. > > For asking https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48808396-selected-poems-1976-2019&ved=2ahUKEwiw14igx8aLAxWQLtAFHabxJGIQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3xxyq9fiWP8SIo6KuERr4x Quite a few good reviews of my poetry out there. You're, of course, not a credible source, Harry. And so it goes.