Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Frank Slootweg Newsgroups: uk.telecom.mobile,comp.mobile.android Subject: Re: "'Scammers stole =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A340k?= after EDF gave out my number" Date: 5 Mar 2025 18:40:45 GMT Organization: NOYB Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: X-Trace: individual.net lku+XpxPOo5lKM+iCDej8gZE0axtv9vuqdLE7vVGyLb0g8av/V X-Orig-Path: not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:a9vzvNS7RCT5JHkuqqxBNLM/oO8= sha256:ImZR2dq9vwJGoEGmymE3WC2uyvUI+Zc5OrivME+zAmU= User-Agent: tin/1.6.2-20030910 ("Pabbay") (UNIX) (CYGWIN_NT-10.0-WOW/2.8.0(0.309/5/3) (i686)) Hamster/2.0.2.2 Newyana2 wrote: > On 3/5/2025 12:21 PM, Abandoned Trolley wrote: > > > > I "snipped out" the rest of your description of rapid change (whatever > > that is) in the hope that somebody might clarify the claim that "Apple > > invented computer cellphones in 2008" > > Is that wrong? I just looked it up. It was actually 2007. > Was there another computer cellphone before that? I'm > not aware of any. There were cellphones that could make > phone calls. But there were not apps, browsers, and so on, > as far as I know. I welcome correction if I'm mistaken. > > In other words, people could make phone calls on wireless > phones back in the 80s. But the cellphone lifestyle of banking, > shopping, getting directions, texting, etc is fairly recent. > (Remember that there's also the lag between when iPhone > came out and when computer cellphones became ubiquitous.) As Andy mentioned, there were mobile phones in the 90s, which had a browser and could e-mail. They also had some built-in apps, like calendars, note taking, etc., etc.. Some of them also had add-on apps. I used such mobile phones in the latter 90s and also used them as a mobile modem. In the early 2000s, I used a Nokia 6310i [1] as a digital modem ('thethering'). That's why, as Andy also noted, saying "computer cellphones" when you mean smartphones, is rather odd and confusing/ambiguous. [1] 'Nokia 6310i'