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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: NoBody Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Nationwide injunctions Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 09:48:43 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 77 Message-ID: <1tp47k5rmt6gl6uv9hp52jmbe1iu5m3nm6@4ax.com> References: <103pknh$129f7$2@dont-email.me> <104p1h3$10111$4@dont-email.me> <104p4ul$1126q$1@dont-email.me> <104p5s7$10111$8@dont-email.me> <104p744$116tg$3@dont-email.me> <2ev17k54eu6opj0r2eeq9qn9392huvh0ba@4ax.com> <104r9p1$1ihg6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 15:48:44 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="700c5cfa21f2c68042a4b6e4836f8f27"; logging-data="2278076"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18AsbSRbK7v+PIiXoV8kDQC152WhHSCk/I=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:9sTIFq7UsdOFYKd6dLRC9b84C1w= X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 250712-2, 7/12/2025), Outbound message X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 3.3/32.846 X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On Fri, 11 Jul 2025 11:14:39 -0400, moviePig wrote: >On 7/11/2025 8:04 AM, NoBody wrote: >> On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:17:08 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman" >> wrote: >> >>> BTR1701 wrote: >>>> On Jul 10, 2025 at 12:40:04 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 7/10/2025 2:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> On Jun 28, 2025 at 1:53:05 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of >>>>>>> his executive order ending birthright citizenship. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I >>>>>>> don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme >>>>>>> Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to >>>>>>> file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking >>>>>>> equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend >>>>>>> case after case after case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> However, there should be nationwide injunctions allowed against the >>>>>>> government without jurisdiction shopping. Last I looked, Washington >>>>>>> remains the seat of government. Give that district court exclusive >>>>>>> authority so the government might defend one case and not myriad cases. >>>>>>> Congress would have to fix that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By the way, this affected the administrations of Democratic presidents >>>>>>> too, so Republicans are losing plenty of political leverage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't agree with Amy Coney Barrett. If the president is about to do >>>>>>> something unconstitutional, why shouldn't he be enjoined? Certainly >>>>>>> there is court jurisdiction for that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The merits of the case were not at issue in this ruling and talking >>>>>>> heads were saying it's unlikely that, if these cases continue in trial >>>>>>> courts, Trump will win on the merits. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/supreme-court-sides-with-trump-administration-on-nationwide-injunctions-in-birthright-citizenship-case/ >>>>>> >>>>>> So it appears that after a New Hampshire district court judge had his >>>>>> nationwide injunction against Trump's birthright citizenship EO overturned >>>>>> by >>>>>> SCOTUS, he has now certified a class action against it so that he can reach >>>>>> more than just the plaintiff with his ruling. My question is that, since >>>>>> Trump's EO is not retroactive and only applies to future children born here, >>>>>> how can there be anyone with standing to certify a class? >>>>>> >>>>>> Do "unborn future people" have rights under the Constitution? If so, then >>>>>> the >>>>>> abortion debate seems to be conclusively over. >>>>> >>>>> You've answered your own question: they gain standing as they're born >>>>> ...adding to those born between Trump's order and the judge's ruling. >>>> >>>> It doesn't work that way. A plaintiff has to have standing the moment the >>>> lawsuit is filed. >>> >>> As I've noted before, with human life beginning at conception, then the >>> parents would have to prove they had sex in the United States, which >>> would put an end to birth tourism. >> >> Libs insist life doesn't start until birth so doublestandards again? > >Libs insist it's none of your business... > Well now you're talking in circles. Make up your mind already.