Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: NoBody Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Wisconsin Judge Arrested for Obstruction for Helping Illegal Alien Escape ICE Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 09:43:44 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 118 Message-ID: References: <0ka91kl8ta0uulo192ffuedk9rok3ii1l8@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 03 May 2025 15:43:46 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="262399b0b1d44ffc3e07209a0ea26151"; logging-data="3784556"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ZZb0qZadxM7LLAZAUsUT8Z1DHxlMb0/Y=" Cancel-Lock: sha1:fC2ck1HCUSREyRcfWKwmL18W4Og= X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 250503-2, 5/3/2025), Outbound message X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 3.3/32.846 X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On Fri, 2 May 2025 12:01:49 -0400, moviePig wrote: >On 5/2/2025 7:22 AM, NoBody wrote: >> On Thu, 1 May 2025 12:28:27 -0400, moviePig >> wrote: >> >>> On 5/1/2025 7:28 AM, NoBody wrote: >>>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2025 22:30:29 -0400, moviePig >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 4/30/2025 5:40 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>> On Apr 30, 2025 at 2:16:24 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/30/2025 3:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2025 at 11:37:37 AM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4/30/2025 2:21 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Apr 30, 2025 at 8:37:27 AM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 11:53 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 8:28:00 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 11:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 7:38:55 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/29/2025 10:10 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2025 at 1:32:51 PM PDT, "moviePig" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As he was merely accused, any "shoulds" are all in one's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> biases. I.e., >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he's entitled to the same "help" as an innocent you would be. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't be entitled to a judge running cover for me while she >>>>>>>>>>>>>> directs me >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a back door to evade the cops, either. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *If* she thought you were illegally pursued, it'd be her *duty*. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, it wouldn't. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sure it would, if not legally then ethically. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, ethical civil disobedience comes with a price. MLK and Gandhi both >>>>>>>>>> recognized that and did their time for breaking the law in pursuit of >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> higher cause. This judge should be prepared to do the same. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But if she believed the warrant invalid then, civil or uncivil, her >>>>>>>>> disobedience would be inadvertent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> She had *no business* checking the warrant in the first place. She has no >>>>>>>> jurisdiction over federal immigration law. She's no different than any other >>>>>>>> citizen with regard to the ICE arrest. John Doe on the street can't walk up >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> an ongoing ICE operation and start demanding to see paperwork and neither >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> a state court judge. And if either one of them do so, they can be arrested >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> charged with obstruction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How does that work, then? Can you be having dinner at home with your >>>>>>> wife and, when a knock at the door turns out to be a stranger claiming >>>>>>> to have a warrant to take her away, you can't say "Show me"? >>>>>> >>>>>> You can ask it, but they don't have to show you. They will have to show *her* >>>>>> and her attorney (and the court) at some point to validate the arrest, but you >>>>>> don't have any legal standing to demand it. >>>>>> >>>>>> And this is just a state court judge in the lobby of a courthouse, not some >>>>>> family member in their own home, so whatever standing the husband in your >>>>>> scenario may have, it certainly wouldn't apply to Judge Busybody. >>>>> >>>>> So, "at some point" would seem to mean 'whenever we feel like it'. >>>>> Thus, if some random guys show up claiming to have a warrant ("back at >>>>> the station") for your arrest, you'd better simply let them spirit you >>>>> away while try to assure yourself they're not actually kidnappers... >>>>> >>>> >>>> She's a judge. She should know she has no authority in this matter. >>>> Ridiculous how you continue to defend an obviously illegal act on the >>>> judge's part. >>> >>> She's saying the warrant was improper, and her act thus not illegal. >>> >> >> So now you ARE saying she issued a ruling? >> >> Make up your mind dude. >> >> She either issued a formal ruling that the warrant was "improper" >> >> OR >> >> She made up her own interpretation without authority and then acted >> illegally based on her unauthorized interpretation. >> >> Which is it? > >She (is saying) she believed the warrant invalid, not declaring it so. You are attempting to draw a distinction with no difference. You think that, because she's a judge, she can disregard a legal warrant based solely on her personal opinion of it. No wonder court rulings are so screwed up these days. > >Thus, she did what YOU would've done. Presumably. > Nope. I don't decide what is legal and not legal. That's for legitimate courts are for.