Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Physfitfreak Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: OK, .. Let's See :-) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 23:32:47 -0500 Organization: Modern Human Message-ID: <104cu9h$1pcet$1@solani.org> References: <104accu$1pcso$1@solani.org> <104c0ul$1opv7$1@solani.org> <104c3v9$1ornr$1@solani.org> <104ck93$1p5g7$1@solani.org> <104cqb4$1p9qn$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 04:32:49 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1880541"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Yo4wYBoZmT67aA7vRhdshMGF4AQ= Content-Language: en-US, fa-IR X-User-ID: eJwFwYkBgDAIA8CVIk+g42go+4/gXTofqoLJyM21ncNZydkV9dl3HSayoTeEXjs6KMRVw9DEVIZTjLmaH1EkFTk= In-Reply-To: <104cqb4$1p9qn$1@solani.org> On 7/5/25 10:25 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 7/5/25 8:41 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 7/5/25 4:03 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>> On 7/5/25 3:12 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>> On 7/5/25 12:15 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The nuclear inspectors of IAEA left Iran :) They'll never go back >>>>> to Iran. Iran had not officially asked them to leave. They left >>>>> because they feared with new documents Iran has obtained, they >>>>> could get arrested as spies. Oh, they won't go back to Iran! >>>>> >>>>> And boy, they were in a hurry. Didn't wait till air travel opens up >>>>> (it got open today); they took the ground routes and hurriedly got >>>>> themselves to Armenia. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Iranian researchers have given out their own calculations of the >>>>> cost of the 12 day war for Israel: $40 Billion! .. This isn't >>>>> bullshit, by the way. It is gold in this sea of lies spread around >>>>> this war about the toll Israelis paid.z >>>>> >>>>> Very briefly, they've calculated them as: >>>>> >>>>> - military expenditure = $12.2 Billion >>>>> - total indirect economic toll = $21.4 Billion (includes damages to >>>>> businesses) >>>>> - military property destruction = $4.5 Billion >>>>> - evacuations and shelter = $2 Billion >>>>> >>>>> As you see, the consequential economic impact is by itself as high >>>>> as all other costs combined. This is the number one reality that >>>>> Israel stays so quiet about. Because it tells too much about >>>>> Israel's Achilles' heel. War with Iran will solve the problem of >>>>> Israel for the region. >>>>> >>>>> So it was a $40 Billion project, this war, for Israel. I don't know >>>>> how Iran's end of these costs are because part of it is not >>>>> disclosed to anybody. The fact that Israelis also do not reveal it >>>>> says a lot, by the way. >>>>> >>>>> I only know that the military expenditure part of the whole loss >>>>> has been between $50 Million to $100 Million only, which is that >>>>> same 0.5% ratio I've mentioned in these blogs over and over. >>>>> Military stuff costs Israel (and Americans) 200 times more than >>>>> they do to Iranians. >>>>> >>>>> I wasn't that far off when I said continuation of the war was >>>>> suicide for Israel. So let's see the next one coming will end >>>>> sooner than 12 days or much longer than that :) >>>>> >>>>> Strategically, it is very much a matter of Ukraine also. Ukraine is >>>>> absorbing a good part of the munitions and war equipment that would >>>>> otherwise go to Israel, and directly and immediately from there >>>>> used against Iran. So Russia (and China) are defending Iran in an >>>>> indirect way. When the toll for Russia got too high in this, China >>>>> wisely stepped in to take some of the burden off from Russia. This >>>>> isn't imagination. It is every bit the reality. It is the number >>>>> one reason why Ukraine war doesn't end. It had saved, be it >>>>> temporarily, Syria before and now it helps Iran. The culprits, >>>>> i.e., the roots of the problem, are Israel and USA's plans with the >>>>> region that has Iran inside it. >>>>> >>>>> Today, in fact, Chinese foreign minister told his EU counterpart >>>>> that China does NOT want war in Ukraine come to an end because what >>>>> hostility is in Ukraine's war right now will just be transferred >>>>> and get added to the war with Iran where matters are much more >>>>> sensitive to China than Ukraine's issue could ever be of importance >>>>> to them. China buys Iran's oil, and if anybody, including your >>>>> infant Trump, goes to disturb that, it would mean a direct war with >>>>> China. >>>>> >>>>> The EU people listening to him (Chinese foreign minister) were >>>>> shocked by his straightforward remarks :) >>>>> >>>>> I think Wang Yi told this to their stupid faces cause he'd become >>>>> sick of EU's continuous effort to sweep the facts under the rug and >>>>> call it "politics." Politics is not Israeli way of dealing with >>>>> facts. It is very much dealing with facts directly and pretty much >>>>> honestly too! >>>>> >>>>> I think he heard so much bullshit from those Bitch people about >>>>> "Why are you helping Russia in this war?" and idiotic nonsense they >>>>> had asked Trump earlier ("Why are you giving more importance to >>>>> Israel than Ukraine?"), till at last he had enough of it. Politics >>>>> is not knowing the answer and yet asking the questions to see if >>>>> your counterpart knows it too.. That's pitiful. That's what stupid >>>>> high school smart aleks do, not politicians. >>>>> >>>>> So I'm not surprised at all that Yi responded like that right into >>>>> their faces. >>>>> >>>>> The real war is ongoing while being dormant, and that's a war >>>>> between USA and China, and a big part of it is over West Asia >>>>> region where Iran is and has been for thousands of years. It is >>>>> behind anything that's happening. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What Trump has been pushing for, is to help Israel against Iran >>>>> instead of helping Ukraine, because he wants to take the oil that >>>>> Iran sells to China away from China. And for this, he hopes that >>>>> Europeans would fill up the gap in help for Ukraine and pay for it >>>>> out of their own pockets. He thinks this might work. I think it's >>>>> clear that it won't because the more Europeans compensate for the >>>>> absence of American weapons and munitions, the larger Russia and >>>>> China will expand the war in Ukraine, forcing Americans back into >>>>> spending part of its resources for Ukraine and not Israel, thus >>>>> keeping Israel at the subsistence level as far as war with Iran is >>>>> concerned. >>>>> >>>>> Putin and Xi both hold this card, and they've been using it too for >>>>> some time now. What I don't know, is whether Russia or China >>>>> themselves came to this understanding, or, they were "helped" a bit >>>>> by Iranian politicians, cause I believe Iran has better politicians >>>>> than Russia and China have as far as matters related to Nazis of >>>>> USA and Europe are concerned. Iran has had quite a lot of >>>>> experience in that. >>>>> >>>>> And this push and pull is ongoing right now. A big batch of >>>>> armaments belonging to USA that was agreed upon and sent to Poland >>>>> to be transferred to Ukrainians, was suddenly stopped in Poland. I >>>>> think Trump wants to get them back from Europe and give them to >>>>> Israel, which in turn means another attempt from Israel to attack >>>>> Iran, which consequently will cause Putin and Xi to escalate the >>>>> war in Ukraine, raising the level of armaments that Ukraine needs >>>>> to protect itself. >>>>> >>>>> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove to >>>>> be able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully compensate >>>>> for what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I think this plan >>>>> of Trump had a chance, and only a chance, before China joined, and >>>>> not after. >>>>> >>>>> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance. >>>>> I.e. EU collectively might match Russia in resources. >>>>> >>>>> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor China >>>>> tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day war. I >>>>> guess they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian war to >>>>> escalate. Putin raised the level of attacks and destruction of >>>>> Ukraine's armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military armaments get >>>>> shipped to Europe to be given to Ukraine, after all. But that >>>>> shipment is now stopped and I'm not aware yet if they've said >>>>> exactly for what reason. >>>>> >>>>> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not >>>>> just a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China as >>>>> well. In fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA. But >>>>> results are the same regardless. It is a way of throwing China at >>>>> USA! And Iran can do that. She's even decided it in the parliament >>>>> and it has been OKed by Guardian Council. It only needs a >>>>> signature, and less than 15 minutes of time to get done! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war is >>>> out, one British news outlet opened its mouth about the military >>>> property destruction part of it, saying a total of 5 military bases >>>> and camps were attacked by Iran: >>>> >>>> - Tel Nof airbase >>>> - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq >>>> - Camp Glilot >>>> - Irtah >>>> - Camp Zipporit >>>> >>>> One of the above is a military data gathering center and another >>>> deals with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit but >>>> quickly claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course they >>>> don't say how much it has cost them. They (both military and the >>>> cabinet) haven't denied Iran's calculation of it either :) >>>> ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========