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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Your Name Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: "Sinners" To Debut On Max As First Show With "Black American Sign Language" Translation Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:27:21 +1200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 63 Message-ID: <105ac59$198t9$1@dont-email.me> References: <1059oud$15jip$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2025 10:27:22 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3e340a6d539d1bec365e4bbf9c30452e"; logging-data="1352617"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19lKFrAidVAPYshKIyAliajO+L9nMzDrnU=" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:juMjWqiu+eoWeOt32iQanRyovHI= On 2025-07-17 02:59:24 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said: > On 7/2/2025 9:58 AM, shawn wrote: >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 16:22:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 >> wrote: >>> On Jul 2, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" wrote: >>>> On July 4th, the movie SINNERS will become the first show to be >>>> interpreted into "Black American Sign Language (BASL)," per a press >>>> release from Warner Bros. >>>> >>>> The entertainment company described it as "a major step forward in >>>> accessibility, representation, and visibility in streaming." >>>> >>>> "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own >>>> dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial >>>> expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the first >>>> time, the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more >>>> immersive experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in >>>> ASL but are unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow >>>> along with this interpretation." >>> >>> Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics. >> >> So this is something that didn't exist so there is no base of people >> who know it. > > I see this type of stuff posted in this group all the time and I > usually just ignore. But I'm bored so I'm going to speak up. > > Black Sign language has existed since the 19th century. The reason it > exists is because White people refused to let Black people attend > schools with them. This was called segregation. One of the results of > segregation was separate schools for Black deaf people which resulted > in divergent sign language. Still doesn't make it sensible though. They should have taught everybody in all the schools for the deaf the same US sign language*. Presumably they did all learn the same mathematics, spelling, etc. So why single sign language out as different versions? * Of course, there will now be a pile of nutty conspiracy theories that black deaf people were purposely taught a different version to "keep them in their place" ... or that black deaf people were taught a different version so they could keep conversations secret from their "white oppressors" ... or ... :-\ > And yes, Black deaf people today still use Black Sign Language. There > are many types of sign language in use today. It's not just ASL. > Someone who learns to sign outside the United States would learn their > local sign language. > > When I watch a movie either on disc or streaming, there are often > multiple language options available to accommodate a wide audience who > don't speak English. And I don't think I've ever heard someone > complain about that until now. And of course the complaint would be > targeted towards Black people. > > Maybe next week someone will complain about French or Russian being > offered and call that "ebonies," but somehow I doubt it.