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Ball" Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: What Did You Watch? 2025-05-31 (Saturday) Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2025 16:17:24 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 115 Message-ID: <101in24$2i5e2$1@dont-email.me> References: <101i5e2$2c51s$1@dont-email.me> <101igft$2fc2u$1@dont-email.me> <101immp$2ju8n$2@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2025 01:17:28 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d142c2b2e57b7052c392a9735d6193f3"; logging-data="2692546"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+W62AW/KgleR7JgTy13WiJ" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:4dPSrchFRU5Qt5MGSwpisdFL/+E= In-Reply-To: <101immp$2ju8n$2@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 6/1/25 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > On Jun 1, 2025 at 2:25:17 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" wrote: >> On 6/1/25 11:16 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote: >> >>> What Did You Watch? >> >> I treated yesterday as my first "vacation day", and it was glorious! I >> did nothing! :D >> >> But I did get through the end of "Andor" and rolled that right into a >> rewatch of "Rogue One" (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p )...: >> >> Andor (Disney+) - The final 3 episodes - ep's #2.10-2.12. >> The final three episodes are top notch, though the "One Year Later >> (BBY 1)" teaser at the start of #2.10 is patently untrue this time, as >> these episodes basically take place mere days before "Rogue One" (or is >> it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), which itself take place just days before the >> original "Star Wars" movie's ending. (So, more like "BBY Day T-7" or >> something!) >> These episodes do have some fun bringing back tons of people from >> the "Rogue One" film... with one major exception - I didn't even realize >> until I watched "Rogue One" again that Bail Organa had always been >> played by Jimmy Smits, and not Benjamin Bratt as he was in season #2 of >> "Rogue One"! (I really wonder why Smits couldn't make it back - they >> claim "scheduling conflicts", but I'm not buying that and wonder if >> Smits has health issues... or if they didn't want him back?!) FTR, I >> actually *prefer* Bratt's take on Bail. >> Anyway, in the final episodes, Lonni Jung finally hits pay dirt in >> Dedra Meero's files (which he's been snooping on!) and finds out that >> everything that has happened previously is all tied together in the >> Imperials' plan for a "super weapon"! (though Jung doesn't know the name >> of this weapon). Jung wants out, but in his one final dastardly act, >> Luthen Rael does NOT send Jung home to his family. >:/ >> But doing all this likely means Jung is blown, which means Luthen is >> also almost certainly blown to the Imperials as well. Sure enough, Dedra >> Meero soon shows up. Will Luthen get out of this alive? Will Kleya >> (Elizabeth Dulau)?! Will they be able to contact Cassian Andor in time >> to come rescue them?! >> After episode #2.10, I was very worried that we would be robbed of >> Kleya's escape from Coruscant (with them just skipping to her on Yavin), >> but episode #2.11 pretty much was 100% about Kleya trying to escape >> Coruscant. Also, there's finally backstory of how Luthen came to be >> Luthen and how Kleya came to be his "daughter" (of sorts) in episode >> #2.10 as well. >> The final episode is pretty much 100% set up for "Rogue One", which >> is actually unsatisfying, as we know there will be no follow up on the >> stories of Kleya, Vel Sartha (Faye Marsay) or Bix (Adria Arjona). In >> fact, I'm finding this incredibly frustrating, as this series may end >> with (effectively) Cassian's "end", but there are a bunch of others here >> who survive "Rogue One" whom we will get no follow up on. >> (P.S. Whatever happened to Mon Mothma's dopey daughter, esp. after >> Mon fled the Empire as a traitor?! We get a final scene with her >> husband, and the lovely Rosalind Halstead as the mother of her >> daughter's husband, implying that he wasn't arrested, but I am >> skeptical, and we get no mention of the daughter after the wedding.) >> As for the Imperials, it goes badly for all of them, especially >> Dedra Meero who finally gets her just desserts for being an Imperial spy >> fangirl. >> But, as far as Cassian goes, this sets up a pretty heroic ending for >> him (even if "Rogue One" doesn't 100% deliver on this), and gets all the >> other pieces that we see in the "Rogue One" film in place. >> >> I then followed this up immediately with: >> >> Rogue One (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ) (Disney+) - In glorious 4k! >> though this movie looks so good that even in non UHDTV, it still usually >> looks great. >> I mainly watched this to see, 1) how well it lines up with the >> "Andor" TV series, and 2) how well it matches up in terms of how people >> look between the film and the TV series (where season #2 was filmed >> about 8 years later!). >> On the former, I'm going to say... not well. At the end of "Andor", >> Cassian is in possession of a lot more information that he seems to know >> in "Rogue One" - like, he already knows the Empire has a "super weapon" >> (even if he doesn't know its name), and he already knows about Galen >> Erso, but *none* of that comes across in "Rogue One" which clearly >> portrays Cassian as not know about the details of any of this stuff. Nor >> does Cassian *ever* mention anything about a "girl he lost" in this film! >> I don't know what you call this phenomenon, but it's basically the >> *exact opposite* of a "retcon [retro-continuity]"!! >> However, I did appreciate Andor's executing the informant in this >> film being foreshadowed by what Luthen does to Lonni Jung. That was a >> nice touch from the TV series. >> On the second point, they do a lot better: Diego Luna and Genevieve >> O'Reilly look the same or imperceptibly different between the film and >> the TV series. And while Alistair Petrie (as General Draven) looks a >> little bit older in the series, it's not so as you'd really notice... >> However, this is definitely *not* true of Ben Mendelsohn as Krennic >> - he looks *way young* in "Rogue One" which means he looks *way older* >> in "Andor"! >> I'm going to say that Duncan Pow (as Sgt. Melshi) - and I didn't >> realize he was in both seasons #1 & #2 of "Andor" as well as this film! >> - also looks noticeably younger in "Rogue One" which means he looks >> noticeably older in "Andor". >> And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays >> him in Andor. > > So Felicity Jones couldn't make it back as Jyn Erso? I haven't finished the > show yet, but I've heard about the ROGUE ONE cameos and was hoping to see Jyn > again. She's always been one of my favorite female action lead characters, > like Ripley and Sarah Connor. She's smart and capable without having to resort > to the usual nonsense of watching her beat up men three times her size. Unfortunately, there would be no in-universe justification for Jyn to show up in "Andor" - she and Cassian had clearly never met before "Rogue One", and in fact at the film's open she's in jail (presumably for some time?). Now, they could try to do a "Jyn Erso"-featured background TV series a la "Andor", but 1) Jones is probably to old now and gets "more too old" with every year that passes, and 2) I'm guessing Jones wouldn't want to be tied down by a Disney+ series like that.