Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re=3A_Computable_Functions_---_finite_string_transformati?= =?UTF-8?Q?on_rules_---_0_=E2=89=A01?= Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 13:32:20 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 68 Message-ID: References: <6d9ae3ac08bbbe4407fc3612441fc2032f949a3d@i2pn2.org> <7ac75991b443ba53d52960ddb1932524dea8e03f@i2pn2.org> <40b048f71fe2ed2a8ef11d2d587c765c8fcbc977@i2pn2.org> <09bba11868dafecb6800ba8aec152304fec97553@i2pn2.org> <51a4be0ebc0ddc76954fd2e5ec1c5951b5f306e3@i2pn2.org> <6bd35d1c5fb0d281a29dc8e56458f2b83f63d878@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 20:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="cc4092dca5685a99a96dd309586b7dc0"; logging-data="4109566"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19FbwDm/gyIVxwpspRrZqPf" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:YmQ2lmLTAY6sta/pzbhf5VeiGSc= X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250428-8, 4/28/2025), Outbound message In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US On 4/28/2025 11:11 AM, dbush wrote: > On 4/28/2025 12:10 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 4/28/2025 4:05 AM, Mikko wrote: >>> On 2025-04-27 18:23:03 +0000, olcott said: >>> >>>> On 4/27/2025 4:51 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>>> On 2025-04-26 16:15:44 +0000, olcott said: >>>>> >>>>>> _DD() >>>>>> [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local >>>>>> [00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD >>>>>> [0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD) >>>>>> [00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04 >>>>>> [00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax >>>>>> [00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >>>>>> [0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f >>>>>> [0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d >>>>>> [0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04] >>>>>> [00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp >>>>>> [00002154] 5d         pop ebp >>>>>> [00002155] c3         ret >>>>>> Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155] >>>>>> >>>>>> When any HHH emulates DD according to the finite >>>>>> string transformation rules specified by the x86 >>>>>> language (the line of demarcation between correct >>>>>> and incorrect emulation) no emulated DD can possibly >>>>>> reach its final halt state and halt. >>>>> >>>>> There is a type error above. First DD is introduced as a proper name. >>>>> But later it is used in the phrase "no emulated DD" where the rules >>>>> of the language require a generic name. >>>>> >>>> >>>> *This of this as an axiom schema* >>>> No DD correctly emulated by any HHH can possibly >>>> reach its final halt state. This conclusively >>>> proves that every HHH is correct to reject its >>>> input DD as non-halting. >>> >>> That cannot be used as a schema before you specify what symbols in it >>> are >>> placeholders and what replacements can be used for the placeholders. >>> >> >> I have gone over this many hundreds of times >> do you not remember anything that I already said? >> >> int DD() >> { >>    int Halt_Status = EEE(DD); >>    if (Halt_Status) >>      HERE: goto HERE; >>    return Halt_Status; >> } >> >> When each element of the set of x86 emulators >> named EEE > > Changing the input is not allowed. Hypothetical possibilities numbskull. -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer