Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: The Lime sock on Stephan Pickering and NAMBLA Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2025 04:07:15 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: References: <31c157534183ddc0956f4b7fafb50192@www.novabbs.com> <6e4ed674ed08f722c584a5998fc79d47@www.novabbs.com> <46244097a3e98abd14e5a0deb16673bc@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1194621"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Vf9CM7g99yqfGvzEHTw0bhrjcIfvzYBBhUuRma0rLuQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$tcQNhlX7kOnu/O4ND0CV.eV8wA.KEsfZqZdzITmsC1O/YQLgBAqMW X-Rslight-Posting-User: acd0b3e3614eaa6f47211734e4cbca3bfd42bebc On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 4:49:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote: > On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 5:47:00 +0000, W.Dockery wrote: > >> On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 13:06:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote: >>> >>> Since MMP is trying to disrupt his psychoanalysis by attempting to >>> change the subject to whatever he can think of, and since I don't want >>> to let his attempts pass without comment, I'm being forced to open new >>> threads on some of it. >>> From: https://www.novabbs.com/arts/post.php?id=255645 >>> >>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 12:42:11 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka >>> "HarryLime" wrote: >>>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 5:55:00 +0000, George J. Dance wrote: >>>>>> It seems that Senetto took the lead in attempting to drive Stephan >>>>>> Pickering from the newsgroup though, but that may have been fueled by >>>>>> Senetto's obvious Antisemitism. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for reminding me. It was actually MMP who did that by bringing >>>>> NAMBLA to the group. That triggered Jim, just the way MFH triggered him >>>>> after he was told that it was really about child molesting. >>>> >>>> Why do you lie so much, George? >>> >>> Why do you project so much, MMP? (That's a rhetorical question. As noted >>> in >>> your psychoanalysis, you are playing the preemption game you learned >>> from >>> Peter J. Ross.) >>> >>>> (That's a rhetorical question, as you've already intimated that your >>>> pathological lying stems from you having been abused as a child.) >>> >>> No, Lying Michael: I have never said, or even "intimated" (!) that I was >>> pathological, lying, or >>> "abused as a child". >> >> As usual, Michael Pendragon Jud makes his lies and misrepresentations up >> as he goes along. > > I don't know why you're always repeating this line, Donkey... but if > you're attempting to compare me to Indiana Jones, I am delighted to > accept the compliment. > > >>>> When Pickles joined the group, he simply posted ongoing entries in a >>>> proposed bibliography of some Magnum Opus he had been working on for >>>> years. To the best of my recollection, this tome-in-progress was an >>>> attempt to tie all of literature, culture, and history together via >>>> Jewish themes explored in Bob Dylan songs. >> >> That's actually how I met Stephan Pickering, I bought one of his early >> books exploring the connections between the Kabbalah and Bob Dylan >> songs. >> >> This led to many years of correspondence, which my brother David later >> continued via snail mail. > > Finding connections between Kabbalah and a Jewish man's song lyrics > seems about as difficult of finding Christian connections in the poems > of a Catholic. > > I doubt that you've actually read Joseph Campbell, but you may have > watched one or more of his Power of Myth episodes on PBS. If so, you > might have some primitive understanding of the interrelatedness of myths > from various cultures and eras, and maybe... just maybe... realize that > these myths (or archetypes) are often expressed through works of art. > > That BD would employ Kabbalistic themes is practically a given. > > However, Pick's magnum opus in which he attempts to relate all of the > material universe (right down to fractals) to BD songs is an example of > a monomaniacal obsession bordering on psychosis. > >>> Anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject can appear to have >>> "gone off the deep end" to someone who knows nothing of the subject. >> >> Exactly. >> >> Stephan Pickering definitely knew his subject matter. > > Pick went off the deep end with his theory which elevated BD to the > position of YHWH, or God. And he rode around on a bicycle with a > mummified cat in his basket and a small filing cabinet dragging from the > rear fender. Then of course there were his imaginary wife and children, > Faline's spirit who was in contact with him from the Beyond, his story > that he draft dodged the Vietnam war by skipping to Canada and Israel > (when he had actually checked himself into a mental institution after > having been caught stealing from Forrest Ackerman...) > > The man was a total fruitcake. He wasn't even Jewish. He > self-converted (there's no such thing) out of his love for BD. > > >> >>>> I attempted to engage Pickles in several conversations regarding his >>>> posts, but he either ignored them, or spat back some angry, and >>>> impolite, remarks. >>> >>> Similarly anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject cannot be >>> expected to appreciate having a total ignoramus on the subject trying to >>> explain it to him. So while I don't condone his impoliteness, I can >>> fully understand it. >> >> You nailed it. > > There is a world of difference between scholarship, and monomaniacal > obsession. > >>>> Since I didn't relish the idea of getting into a >>>> flamewar with another nutjob (he reminded me of the 50s group's nutter, >>>> "PhillyGuy"), I took to ignoring his posts. Since he only posted once >>>> or twice a week, ignoring him required little to no effort. >>> >>> You handled that well, IMO. "Skip and ignore" the posts and posters >>> you don't like; as long as they stay out of your face, everyone wins. >> >> Definitely a good policy. > > Unfortunately, skip and ignore doesn't work with Donkeys. > >> >>>> At some point Jim and Pickles got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg. I >>>> don't recall who started it. >> >> Jim Senetto's homophobia and Antisemitism was the cause, basically. > > Watch it, Donkey. Libel is a crime. > > >> >>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into >>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a >>> Pickering >>> troll. The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler, >>> where >>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The >>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in >>> JIm >>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned >>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor Stephan realized that you were >>> manipulating them for that outcome. >> >> Unfortunately, that's exactly what Pendragon's agenda turned out to be. > > The proof of one's agenda is in what one does, Donkey. > > Let us now turn to Matthew 7:16-20 > (King James Version): > > 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, > or figs of thistles? > > 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree > bringeth forth evil fruit. > > 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree > bring forth good fruit. > > 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast > into the fire. > > 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. > > > Shall we compare fruits? > > I am publishing an AAPC poetry journal featuring award-winning poets. > You are sitting here all by yourself, desperately attempting to troll > those you've driven away back into the group. > > >>> After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on >>> and >>> off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group >>> with >>> a nasty, libellous document that NG had written. >> >> Grim times for the poetry newsgroup indeed. > ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========