Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: mpsilvertone@yahoo.com (HarryLime) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: The Return of Michael Monkey Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:30:43 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <56702c318836c6b9047f3c6d0f0dfa7b@www.novabbs.com> References: <893d0c07374428639ba1a1b5cfd722c2@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1632241"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="9yNNWN6S3jCL2bQghupeZ7yt9QQF3aIiWb2guQimaIw"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$BjNpWWgwaW8g.W6HXyA3VumRQ4EVjr/l.H/2deo3lIIejCtoxpplG X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Posting-User: e04a750cbe04de725ce24a46bcc3953c76236e3b On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 20:41:26 +0000, W.Dockery wrote: > George J. Dance wrote: > >> from >> https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=253903&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#253903 >> >> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 15:22:04 +0000, Michael Monkey aka "HarryLime" >> wrote: >> >> Yes, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MMP) has returned, as Will and I >> suspected. Even the name of his new sock, "HarryLime", looked like an >> obvious clue to the "third man" on Team Monkey (the other two being >> Jim/Edward and NancyGene). So we devised a way to have him out himself: >> Will would bump up an old thread, I'd reply to it, and if "Harry" were >> MMP, he wouldn't be able to resist replying. And it worked. >> >> (Since the backthread has served its purpose, I've snipped most of it.) >> >>> It's "Jerk store!" time, again. George Dance re-responds to a post I >>> made almost two years ago (because he thinks I'm no longer here to smack >>> him around). >> >> If further proof that this is MMP were needed, here it is: he walked >> right into the trap, and he's still clueless that it even happened. >> >>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2023 4:13:51 +0000, Michael Pendragon wrote: >>>> The above passage demonstrates why so-so poets should avoid >>>> predetermined formats at all costs. The "sentence" is incomplete. >>> >>> GD: That's because it wasn't a "sentence" until "Edward" added the full >>> stop. Which demonstrates only that so-so poets should avoid >>> repunctuating their betters' poetry. >>> >>> MMP: GD is now aping PJR (because PJR is no longer here to slap him >>> around). >> >>>> Years conspire to decrease possibilities. >>> >>> GD: Exactly what the poem says, which Michael would have discovered if >>> he >>> had bothered to look it up. He didn't even need to look it up on line; >>> he could have found it in his own "literary journal" (AYOS 2021, 10). >>> >>> MMP: My literary journal was created to highlight the best examples of >>> poetry from AAPC's various members. The best poetry by Member G does >>> not necessarily measure up to the best poetry of Member J. >>> >>> As Mr. Dance has so ably demonstrated above, his own poem left no traces >>> on my memory. >> >> MMP's memory lapses are something I'm sure we're all familiar with by >> now. But let us remember what else I just ably demonstrated: that back >> in 2021 (when he was still hoping to recruit me as an ally) he >> considered Possibilities one of "the best examples of poetry" on AAPC. >> >>>> These too lines don't form a coherent sentence. >>> >>> GD: I think you mean those *two* lines. They are not a sentence, even in >>> Edward's edit, and neither of them are a sentence in the actual poem. >>> Once again, Edward added a full stop that's not in the original (as >>> Michael would have known, if he'd bothered to read the original). >>> >>> MMP: It seems that Mr. Dance's purpose in reopening this thread is to >>> re-state that Mr. Rochester mistakenly added end punctuation to his >>> lines, thereby making his poem appear to be more illiterate than it >>> actually is. >> >> MMP seems completely clueless about my actual "purpose" but that's par >> for the course. So let's focus on what's important: >> (1) He claimed my poem was "illiterate"; >> (2) I pointed out that every example of "illiteracy" he found was added >> by his ally Jim; >> (3) Now he's claiming my poem is still "illiterate". >> >> Remember, again, that three years ago, when he still hoped to talk me >> into becoming his ally, he considered it one of "the best poems" on aapc >> that year. Now that he considers me his adversary, it's "illiterate." >> "When [someone] is seen as an adversary, you assign a childish name to >> him and claim he can't write." >> >>> The fact that Mr. Dance feels compelled to do so nearly two years after >>> both the original post *and* after his original refutation demonstrates >>> an alarming degree of obsessive pettiness on his part. >> >> LOL! Will picked the thread - and it's a good one - but there were many >> other possibilities. (heh!) Suffice it to say, Jim is a fool and no one >> in their right mind would judge their poetry by what he says about it. >> >>> GD: Having children restores the lost possibilities; you no longer have >>> them, but your children do. >>> >>> MMP: No, they don't. If the poem is expressing a universal principle, >>> then the children's possibilities will necessarily be decreased as they >>> mature as well. >> >> Sure, onr's children will fail to realize some of their possibilities, >> too; but they will also realize some that their parents did not. Just >> because MMP or Jim failed to reach your own goals, for example, it does >> not follow that your children will fail at their goals as well. >> >>>> This, again, is not a coherent sentence. >>> >>> GD: Once again, that is solely due to Edward's editing. >>> >>> MMP: "Once again,..." Quite. And one supposes that will be repeating it >>> yet a third time two years from now. >> >> If MMP shows up two years from now with a new sock, we might try the >> same thing. But not probably with a different thread; the archives are >> full of threads like this. >> >>>> You really spend way too much >>>> time interacting with the Donkey; his illiteracy is rubbing off. >>> >>> GD: It figures that you'd try to blame Will; but I don't see how you can >>> blame him for Edward's sloppy editing. >>> >>> MMP: Mr. Donkey serves as proof of the old adage concerning the "one bad >>> apple." >>> >>> In this case, the presence of one illiterate member of a group causes >>> the other members to relax their standards. >>> >>> Or, in the words of another adage, any group will inevitably settle to >>> the level of its lowest participant. >> >> MMP repeatedly complains about me repeating this point, but it doesn't >> seem to have sunk in yet, so: >> The only examples of "illiteracy" that have been shown in this thread >> came from Jim. (Better yet, let's "settle" to MMP's level and start >> calling Jim Mr. Chimp again.) >> >> I'd say the only reason for MMP to call Will an illiterate that's been >> shown in this thread is that he doesn't like Will. Will's also MMP's >> adversary. As he says: "When [someone] is seen as an adversary, you >> assign a childish name to him and claim he >> can't write." >> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EA_gCO9_BDk/m/DWT2Fq0TBwAJ?hl=en >> >>>> How do the possibilities justify our lives if they are decreased to >>>> irrelevancy by years? >>> >>> GD: As I already explained: they're restored in the next generation. >>> >>> MMP: And as I've already explained, the next generation's possibilities >>> are as limited as those of their forebears. Since time and circumstance >>> will *always* conspire to decrease their possibilities by the time they >>> reach adulthood, the seemingly unlimited possibilities at birth are >>> necessarily an illusion. >> >> Nonsense; people can and do realize possibilities in their lives, >> including those their ancestors never did. No one can do everything, of >> course, but plenty of people have done enough to justify their existence >> {many of whose ancestors did nothing to justify theirs, beyond - wait >> for it - having families). >> >>>> Roughly speaking (i.e., ignoring the incoherent pseudo-sentences), >>> >>> GD: I do hope we've spent enough time on Edward's pseudo-sentences. >>> >>> MMP: LOL! If Mr. Dance actually meant what he said, he wouldn't have >>> reopened a two-year old thread in order to bitch about Mr. Rochester's >>> "edits" to his poem a second time. >> >> LOL right back. I've already explained why I commented on the thread >> Will reopened. But I'm serious; we've advanced the debate. MMP has not >> disputed that all "illiteracy" he discovered was caused by Mr. Chimp, >> but he's sticking to his story that the poem is still "illiterate" >> anway, as per his editorial philosophy: "When [someone] is seen as an >> adversary, you assign a childish name to him and claim he can't write." >> >>>> your >>>> poem is saying that we are all born with unlimited potential, but that >>>> the years conspire (with circumstance) to undercut our ability to >>>> achieve it. >> >> What is "it"? No one realizes "unlimited" possibilites, but plenty of >> people realize some, including ones their parents failed to realize. >> >>>> As compensation for our wasted lives, we can always take ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========