Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: will.dockery@gmail.com (W.Dockery) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: Charles Bukowski Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2025 19:15:19 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: <5cb84535127f0121e9feb31e68fe368b@www.novabbs.com> References: <46a53064$0$31389$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au> <69qdnfyXocagQzjbnZ2dnUVZ_hisnZ2d@comcast.com> <1185285659.060724.172660@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> <1185303375.722919.203710@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <196b3bc5-76f8-4708-9293-7e8df299fb81n@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1605446"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="Vf9CM7g99yqfGvzEHTw0bhrjcIfvzYBBhUuRma0rLuQ"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Rslight-Posting-User: acd0b3e3614eaa6f47211734e4cbca3bfd42bebc X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$BWqPKNfG/4On.IQ7knJG0ez6maX24EWJHwufCfOgcBdgAlFVkQ1rO X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 20:44:31 +0000, Michael Pendragon wrote: > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 2:46:33 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote: >> Zod wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 2:56:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote: >>>> On Jul 24, 10:00 am, baloney wrote: >>>> > "Vera" wrote >>>> > >>>> > > > His name suggests a Polish background. >>>> > >>>> > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't >>>> > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net-- >>>> > >>>> > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his >>>> > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle >>>> > > > part rather than that essential last line. >>>> > >>>> > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying! >>>> > >>>> > > > Thank you! >>>> > >>>> > > > Vera >>>> > >>>> > > huh? you're copying Bukowski? I think you like >>>> > > yourself WAY too much for there to ever be >>>> > > any confusion about the two. >>>> > >>>> > I think someone else compared Vera's style to Buk's, and she doesn't >>>> > know much about him, so she is curious. >>>> Probably the "chopped-up-prose" thing, I guess, >>>> > Someone at the local strip mall said the old man looked like Jimmy >>>> > Buffet, so he asked me who he is for much the same reason. My answer >>>> > was, "Well, he isn't Warren Buffet; I think he's a musician." I >>>> > looked up Jimmy Buffet, and excepting the ubiquitous Hawaiian shirt, I >>>> > still think the old man looks more like Teddy Roosevelt. "Bully!" >>>> Interesting that Buffett /and/ Roosevelt come to mind constantly when >>>> I'm around Barfield, he's got the swashbucking sailor-rough riding >>>> warrior poet thing down, and have lived it since I first met him as a >>>> kid. >>>> On the Buffett angle, here's probably the ultimate JB song-poem: >>>> A Pirate Looks At Forty >>>> Mother, mother ocean, I have heard you call >>>> Wanted to sail upon your waters since I was three feet tall >>>> You've seen it all, you've seen it all >>>> Watched the men who rode you switch from sails to steam >>>> And in your belly you hold the treasures few have ever seen >>>> Most of 'em dream, most of 'em dream >>>> Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late >>>> The cannons don't thunder, there's nothin' to plunder >>>> I'm an over-forty victim of fate >>>> Arriving too late, arriving too late >>>> I've done a bit of smugglin', I've run my share of grass >>>> I made enough money to buy Miami, but I pissed it away so fast >>>> Never meant to last, never meant to last >>>> And I have been drunk now for over two weeks >>>> I passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks >>>> But I got stop wishin', got to go fishin' >>>> Down to rock bottom again >>>> Just a few friends, just a few friends >>>> (instrumental) >>>> I go for younger women, lived with several awhile >>>> Though I ran 'em away, they'd come back one day >>>> Still could manage to smile >>>> Just takes a while, just takes a while >>>> Mother, mother ocean, after all the years I've found >>>> My occupational hazard being my occupation's just not around >>>> I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown >>>> Coda: >>>> I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown >>>> -Jimmy Buffett, 1974 >>>> > Wry little poem by Buk, thanks for posting. >>>> It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though >>>> his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I >>>> compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very >>>> memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a >>>> better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar. >>>> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours >>>> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the >>>> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out >>>> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the >>>> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes >>>> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I >>>> killed her." >>>> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his >>>> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess >>>> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if >>>> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff. >>>> -- >>>> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck: >>>> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars >>>> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley: >>>> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery >>> I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha. >> Thanks again, Zod. >> >> Charles Bukowski is an obvious influence on my poetry style. > > Charles Bukowski That's right, you finally found the thread? 😏