Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!reader5.news.weretis.net!news.solani.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Physfitfreak Newsgroups: sci.physics Subject: Re: OK, .. Let's See :-) Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2025 20:41:53 -0500 Organization: Modern Human Message-ID: <104ck93$1p5g7$1@solani.org> References: <104accu$1pcso$1@solani.org> <104c0ul$1opv7$1@solani.org> <104c3v9$1ornr$1@solani.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2025 01:41:55 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="1873415"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:T6UgVgyHNXnAIDObWKWCpItwB30= X-User-ID: eJwNwYkBgDAIA8CVioSn42CA/UfQO1MXZ8DNYWt78ZOXkUJOx10matmsfmNHfTbkgUrUZJer9TkEbuTI0Q9zpxX6 Content-Language: en-US, fa-IR In-Reply-To: <104c3v9$1ornr$1@solani.org> On 7/5/25 4:03 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 7/5/25 3:12 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 7/5/25 12:15 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The nuclear inspectors of IAEA left Iran :) They'll never go back to >>> Iran. Iran had not officially asked them to leave. They left because >>> they feared with new documents Iran has obtained, they could get >>> arrested as spies. Oh, they won't go back to Iran! >>> >>> And boy, they were in a hurry. Didn't wait till air travel opens up >>> (it got open today); they took the ground routes and hurriedly got >>> themselves to Armenia. >>> >>> >>> Iranian researchers have given out their own calculations of the cost >>> of the 12 day war for Israel: $40 Billion! .. This isn't bullshit, by >>> the way. It is gold in this sea of lies spread around this war about >>> the toll Israelis paid.z >>> >>> Very briefly, they've calculated them as: >>> >>> - military expenditure = $12.2 Billion >>> - total indirect economic toll = $21.4 Billion (includes damages to >>> businesses) >>> - military property destruction = $4.5 Billion >>> - evacuations and shelter = $2 Billion >>> >>> As you see, the consequential economic impact is by itself as high as >>> all other costs combined. This is the number one reality that Israel >>> stays so quiet about. Because it tells too much about Israel's >>> Achilles' heel. War with Iran will solve the problem of Israel for >>> the region. >>> >>> So it was a $40 Billion project, this war, for Israel. I don't know >>> how Iran's end of these costs are because part of it is not disclosed >>> to anybody. The fact that Israelis also do not reveal it says a lot, >>> by the way. >>> >>> I only know that the military expenditure part of the whole loss has >>> been between $50 Million to $100 Million only, which is that same >>> 0.5% ratio I've mentioned in these blogs over and over. Military >>> stuff costs Israel (and Americans) 200 times more than they do to >>> Iranians. >>> >>> I wasn't that far off when I said continuation of the war was suicide >>> for Israel. So let's see the next one coming will end sooner than 12 >>> days or much longer than that :) >>> >>> Strategically, it is very much a matter of Ukraine also. Ukraine is >>> absorbing a good part of the munitions and war equipment that would >>> otherwise go to Israel, and directly and immediately from there used >>> against Iran. So Russia (and China) are defending Iran in an indirect >>> way. When the toll for Russia got too high in this, China wisely >>> stepped in to take some of the burden off from Russia. This isn't >>> imagination. It is every bit the reality. It is the number one reason >>> why Ukraine war doesn't end. It had saved, be it temporarily, Syria >>> before and now it helps Iran. The culprits, i.e., the roots of the >>> problem, are Israel and USA's plans with the region that has Iran >>> inside it. >>> >>> Today, in fact, Chinese foreign minister told his EU counterpart that >>> China does NOT want war in Ukraine come to an end because what >>> hostility is in Ukraine's war right now will just be transferred and >>> get added to the war with Iran where matters are much more sensitive >>> to China than Ukraine's issue could ever be of importance to them. >>> China buys Iran's oil, and if anybody, including your infant Trump, >>> goes to disturb that, it would mean a direct war with China. >>> >>> The EU people listening to him (Chinese foreign minister) were >>> shocked by his straightforward remarks :) >>> >>> I think Wang Yi told this to their stupid faces cause he'd become >>> sick of EU's continuous effort to sweep the facts under the rug and >>> call it "politics." Politics is not Israeli way of dealing with >>> facts. It is very much dealing with facts directly and pretty much >>> honestly too! >>> >>> I think he heard so much bullshit from those Bitch people about "Why >>> are you helping Russia in this war?" and idiotic nonsense they had >>> asked Trump earlier ("Why are you giving more importance to Israel >>> than Ukraine?"), till at last he had enough of it. Politics is not >>> knowing the answer and yet asking the questions to see if your >>> counterpart knows it too.. That's pitiful. That's what stupid high >>> school smart aleks do, not politicians. >>> >>> So I'm not surprised at all that Yi responded like that right into >>> their faces. >>> >>> The real war is ongoing while being dormant, and that's a war between >>> USA and China, and a big part of it is over West Asia region where >>> Iran is and has been for thousands of years. It is behind anything >>> that's happening. >>> >>> >>> What Trump has been pushing for, is to help Israel against Iran >>> instead of helping Ukraine, because he wants to take the oil that >>> Iran sells to China away from China. And for this, he hopes that >>> Europeans would fill up the gap in help for Ukraine and pay for it >>> out of their own pockets. He thinks this might work. I think it's >>> clear that it won't because the more Europeans compensate for the >>> absence of American weapons and munitions, the larger Russia and >>> China will expand the war in Ukraine, forcing Americans back into >>> spending part of its resources for Ukraine and not Israel, thus >>> keeping Israel at the subsistence level as far as war with Iran is >>> concerned. >>> >>> Putin and Xi both hold this card, and they've been using it too for >>> some time now. What I don't know, is whether Russia or China >>> themselves came to this understanding, or, they were "helped" a bit >>> by Iranian politicians, cause I believe Iran has better politicians >>> than Russia and China have as far as matters related to Nazis of USA >>> and Europe are concerned. Iran has had quite a lot of experience in >>> that. >>> >>> And this push and pull is ongoing right now. A big batch of armaments >>> belonging to USA that was agreed upon and sent to Poland to be >>> transferred to Ukrainians, was suddenly stopped in Poland. I think >>> Trump wants to get them back from Europe and give them to Israel, >>> which in turn means another attempt from Israel to attack Iran, which >>> consequently will cause Putin and Xi to escalate the war in Ukraine, >>> raising the level of armaments that Ukraine needs to protect itself. >>> >>> Trump's plan wins only if Europe would all by themselves prove to be >>> able to sacrifice enough of their resources to fully compensate for >>> what Russia (and China) destroy in Ukraine. I think this plan of >>> Trump had a chance, and only a chance, before China joined, and not >>> after. >>> >>> And obviously China joined in because Trump's plan had a chance. I.e. >>> EU collectively might match Russia in resources. >>> >>> A lot of Iranians got pretty pissed when neither Russia nor China >>> tactically helped Iran in any direct way, in this 12 day war. I guess >>> they didn't notice that this war caused Ukrainian war to escalate. >>> Putin raised the level of attacks and destruction of Ukraine's >>> armaments. This _caused_ U.S. military armaments get shipped to >>> Europe to be given to Ukraine, after all. But that shipment is now >>> stopped and I'm not aware yet if they've said exactly for what reason. >>> >>> Also note that Iran's card of mining the Strait of Hormoz is not just >>> a way of pressuring USA, but very much so pressuring China as well. >>> In fact it will hurt China more than it does to USA. But results are >>> the same regardless. It is a way of throwing China at USA! And Iran >>> can do that. She's even decided it in the parliament and it has been >>> OKed by Guardian Council. It only needs a signature, and less than 15 >>> minutes of time to get done! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Now that Iran's calculation of Israeli losses in the 12 day war is >> out, one British news outlet opened its mouth about the military >> property destruction part of it, saying a total of 5 military bases >> and camps were attacked by Iran: >> >> - Tel Nof airbase >> - military stuff in Beit Nehemiq >> - Camp Glilot >> - Irtah >> - Camp Zipporit >> >> One of the above is a military data gathering center and another deals >> with military logistics. Israelis now admit they were hit but quickly >> claim their "functioning" did not stop. And of course they don't say >> how much it has cost them. They (both military and the cabinet) >> haven't denied Iran's calculation of it either :) >> >> Eventually these calculations may prove themselves to be reasonable as >> the dollar figures of USA and Europe's military assistance to Israel >> will add up to the right amount. These figures aren't that hard to find. >> >> >> Using the 5th column for war effort has its consequences. Iranians are ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========