Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!panix!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Smith Newsgroups: rec.crafts.metalworking Subject: Re: Outdoor Welding Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2025 09:02:04 +0100 Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com) Message-ID: References: <102nele$14o2m$1@dont-email.me> <103cf65$1gkqk$1@dont-email.me> <103cjln$1hq48$1@dont-email.me> <103f1mm$283e1$1@dont-email.me> <6pgp5kdc7vpmqd19gtehhfsk77rrsh4obl@4ax.com> <103jf7i$3fabe$1@dont-email.me> <103jhlv$3fqqb$1@dont-email.me> <103kkic$3nnjj$1@dont-email.me> <103kqqs$3oqjv$1@dont-email.me> <103mfvg$87c2$1@dont-email.me> <103mhec$8lve$1@dont-email.me> <103pkof$12a0h$1@dont-email.me> <103pmac$134dt$1@dont-email.me> <103pnru$13bue$1@dont-email.me> <103r4gj$1fm4i$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com; logging-data="53758"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blueworldhosting.com" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:p2BV8qlEPQ6MnJcsEF3r9uTwRe0= sha1:8o2G/NQAwHe66jdbDkpFPKIuevA= sha256:FtLMkY2QV6Rsuij8jZyLaJS4vg/mQDvgblHN0GAWbF8= sha1:HZPdyrkyTdzy8/0aGTc4SEsb3RU= sha256:sYuXPuICK2W6UxC56lddgy85bneGvRWuWZdIY2mq6Zw= This topic has journey productively far from its start with "Outdoor Welding". On that topic... SMAW (Shielded Metal Arc Welding) - "stick" welding - is "the only one". Okay I have never done / tried self-shielded flux-cored-wire. * when you are outdoors, the equipment is too sensitive and expensive for the rough-and-ready work typical of site work. eg. how well would a wire-feeder do if splashed with seawater (?) * the wire rusts then presumably won't feed - so presumably it can only be used in site conditions when you have a "volume" job where you use reels at a time So it's "stick" welding for most site work. Illustrative... I had a job where if I could go out and "take it" for 2 hours in winter, I wasn't expected to do any more work that day. I would sit in the notor house of the crane next to the engine keeping warm, and read books. That job was on the peak of the highest tide - the "spring" tides which occur every 2 weeks - to get in on the inshore-most piles and get welding. In the two-hour window we had - get in with the barge and tugboat, and get out before they get grounded and stranded by the ebbing tide. I got lashed with rain and blowing seawater. You cannot wear plastic waterproofs when welding. I had to drop electrodes into the stinger because everything became conductive with the seawater. I got soaked, and chilled "to the core". But when I was lifted back to the barge there was a hot tea waiting, thrust into my hands, and the motor-house awaited. Overall site setup illustrated here http://weldsmith.co.uk/tech/welding/weld_imgs/231215_weld_pile_access.png Page on the job http://weldsmith.co.uk/tech/welding/weld_tales/231215_ybj_tpile_z5_z8.html For what it's worth - was the classroom part of my lesson on fillet welding and the imperative of fillet weld size control. Got the apprentices doing fillet welds, then took them to the whiteboard, then back into the welding workshop and now really weld your fillet-welds...