Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: All of computation and human reasoning can be encoded as finite string transformations --- Quine Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:36:03 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <0be671e6df95f8a3c55e1ad89036f941592315d9@i2pn2.org> References: <57fb4080f3b2783cb49a1aacdb43f02343fe9038@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 19:36:03 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1173910"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: On 4/20/25 3:27 PM, olcott wrote: > On 4/20/2025 2:19 PM, Mr Flibble wrote: >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:54:55 -0400, Richard Damon wrote: >> >>> On 4/20/25 1:53 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 4/20/2025 11:29 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 4/20/25 tic 1:33 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> No counter-example to the above statement exists for all computation >>>>>> and all human reasoning that can be expressed in language. >>>>> >>>>> But can all Human reasoning be actually expressed in language? >>>>> >>>>> For instance, how do you express the smell of a rose in a finite >>>>> string so you can do reasoning with it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/analytic-synthetic/ >>>> >>>> all human reasoning that can be expressed in language the >>>> {analytic} side of the analytic/synthetic distinction that humanity has >>>> totally screwed up since >>> >>> But it isn't, and that is YOUR screw up. Part of the problem is that the >>> phrase "True by the meaning of the words alone", doesn't actually have >>> meaning in a Natural Language context, as words have vaired, imprecise, >>> and even spectrums of meaning, perhaps even multiple meanings at once. >>> (This is even a form of word play used to convey special meanings). >>> >>> >>>> Two Dogmas of Empiricism Willard Van Orman Quine >>>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html >>>> >>>> Couldn't even understand that the term Bachelor as stipulated to have >>>> the semantic meaning of Bachelor(x) ≡ ~Married(x) ∧ Male(x) ∧ Adult(x) >>>> ∧ Human(x) >>>> >>>> >>> No, the point he was making was that this is NOT the only possible >>> meaning of Bachelor. >>> >>> Sorry, you are just showing you don't understand the arguments that you >>> read, because the go over your head, and then YOU just assume theny must >>> be wrong. >>> >>> Sorry, all that shows is your stupidity and ignorance. >> >> Attack the argument not the person. >> >> /Flibble > > Richard does this to try to get away with masking his own > complete ignorance of any of the words that I just used. > Except that I ALWAYS start with the actual refutation, and thus you claim is just a LIE. Sorry, but you don't seem to understand how logic works. Care to show how my refutation was incorrect?