Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 10:16:40 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 34 Message-ID: <104tu8o$264oq$7@dont-email.me> References: <101nq32$99vd$1@dont-email.me> <104e46s$28pqb$2@dont-email.me> <960c2417e6f691b2b12703506c207990df5b39ab@i2pn2.org> <104el09$2dpog$1@dont-email.me> <1ca786773f9ff02718c66e082bbc4182b36732ab@i2pn2.org> <104fduv$2n8gq$2@dont-email.me> <104ftep$rafj$1@dont-email.me> <104h475$324da$1@dont-email.me> <104hmkm$35gkb$2@dont-email.me> <104i0ar$36mma$1@dont-email.me> <775a1f21c8d308989a8ef2a0afaae66c1609912b@i2pn2.org> <104jc8l$3jrpl$9@dont-email.me> <104jpu7$3np76$1@dont-email.me> <104jsnj$3o6as$1@dont-email.me> <104lbkv$13ioh$4@dont-email.me> <104lr65$7l4q$9@dont-email.me> <104o6uv$18h8g$3@dont-email.me> <104ojik$tfr1$1@dont-email.me> <104qjpq$1c0m7$3@dont-email.me> <104ruq2$1ml84$4@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2025 17:16:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7c3bdc0cb6dff22bb3ed47acf1f4bedd"; logging-data="2298650"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19GBV2qXHr7tZocRMTnzeLi" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:m5KnvDqtKODpSqbMK8MxzuFAcPI= In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250712-2, 7/12/2025), Outbound message On 7/12/2025 5:52 AM, joes wrote: > Am Fri, 11 Jul 2025 16:13:38 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 7/11/2025 3:59 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > >>> As usual claims without evidence. If we do not change the input (which >>> aborts after a few cycles o simulation), then the simulating HHH could >>> reach the final halt state without abort. > >> It is a very easily verified fact that the input never aborts anything >> at all. > > Only because it is aborted in turn. HHH(DDD) simulates its input until it sees that DDD cannot possibly stop running unless aborted. void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } Can you see that DDD endlessly repeats its first line of code when simulated by a pure simulator HHH? > The *input*, being the code of DDD, > doesn't do anything at all since it is just a representation. This > representation has reachable code to abort. > -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer