Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic,comp.ai.philosophy Subject: Re: I have just proven the error of all of the halting problem proofs --- Mackenzie Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 08:50:54 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 43 Message-ID: <1065as0$1rqln$1@dont-email.me> References: <105ht1n$36s20$1@dont-email.me> <105kvub$2q17h$1@dont-email.me> <105lg9k$3v8t8$6@dont-email.me> <105ljhk$9si$1@news.muc.de> <105lkj4$3v8t8$13@dont-email.me> <105lnn2$2srt$1@news.muc.de> <105lpsd$1mvr$1@dont-email.me> <105m9me$2phf$1@news.muc.de> <87frejvq2x.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <10633d2$2h0d$1@news.muc.de> <1063527$2gj29$3@dont-email.me> <10636r8$2gfp$1@news.muc.de> <1063a53$2htm2$1@dont-email.me> <1063c0t$2i6le$1@dont-email.me> <1063m2d$1isr9$1@dont-email.me> <1063n55$1j27o$1@dont-email.me> <6DdhQ.207706$Tc12.80723@fx17.iad> <1063p7u$1j8ei$1@dont-email.me> <10643o0$1kabq$1@dont-email.me> <8RnhQ.76375$RDB4.20744@fx09.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2025 13:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ebb81b7e559f654a9ccbe84c63c0d5aa"; logging-data="1960631"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19odfDYCV4mNaiqoIgp1Dbk" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:7qzdydxKzqYexCuKU4Uc9pVE4Vk= In-Reply-To: <8RnhQ.76375$RDB4.20744@fx09.iad> X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 250727-0, 7/26/2025), Outbound message Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus-Status: Clean On 7/27/2025 6:11 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 7/26/25 10:43 PM, olcott wrote:>> >> When HHH(DDD) simulates DDD it also simulates itself >> simulating DDD because DDD calls HHH(DDD). > > But can only do that if HHH is part of its input, or it is not > simulating its input. > > And, it FAILS at simulating itself, as it concludes that HHH(DDD) will > never return, when it does. > This ChatGPT analysis of its input below correctly derives both of our views. I did not bias this analysis by telling ChatGPT what I expect to see. typedef void (*ptr)(); int HHH(ptr P); void DDD() { HHH(DDD); return; } int main() { HHH(DDD); DDD(); } Simulating Termination Analyzer HHH correctly simulates its input until: (a) It detects a non-terminating behavior pattern then it aborts its simulation and returns 0, (b) Its simulated input reaches its simulated "return" statement then it returns 1. https://chatgpt.com/share/688521d8-e5fc-8011-9d7c-0d77ac83706c -- Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer