Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: john larkin Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The Sciences of the Artificial applied to Biology Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 11:04:32 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 27 Message-ID: <901u6k99debtpilfo7tf9u6m7aka4o7ohq@4ax.com> References: <7out6k96b8cgjr3t5bdnr8g432shen7vqe@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 20:04:36 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="26be923883790c2914c1c258907a21f4"; logging-data="1046349"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ZSmzLnD75rmEKIKOEDi0u" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:VOxav5NsDxkLfQTA08abymptYpo= On Wed, 09 Jul 2025 19:38:41 -0400, Joe Gwinn wrote: >I forgot to mention that he Sciences of the Artificial digs deep into >why living things (even microscopic ones) have distinct organs and >often components within such organs, versus the organism being a mass >of tissue that somehow does everything. The driver is efficiency and >simplicity. > >This assumes that life has already emerged in some unspecified way, >and goes from there. This is a different approach than Dawkin's >Blind-Watchmaker arguments. > >Joe > > >Ref: "Simon_Herbert_A_The_Sciences_of_the_Artificial_3rd_ed" - The >Architecture of Complexity. New copies are available from MIT Press. Even single-cell critters have levels of intelligence. Some people suggest some level of consciousness. The book sounds cool. Dawkin says he is an atheist above anything else. So he naturally hides from anything that's not primitive neo-Darwinism.