Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeroen Belleman Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: The Spanish Grid Drop-out - recently released information. Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 14:46:16 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: <1004nmp$34c0m$2@dont-email.me> References: <7kmcflxsfb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <3lj92kth9m1cjjib8peq04tta6fecer0bv@4ax.com> <023a2k1v735395t0crgdfq36acujgn24gq@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 15 May 2025 14:46:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8391961971dde3f5c53fe1291de1914a"; logging-data="3289110"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ncKmzVgdlrKyTYJEYy/hN" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:LYKY4bd6fOaLn6apz7WPdzJ13As= Content-Language: en-US, fr-FR, nl-NL In-Reply-To: On 5/15/25 01:38, Phil Hobbs wrote: > On 2025-05-14 17:37, john larkin wrote: >> On Wed, 14 May 2025 21:10:06 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >> wrote: >> >>> On 2025-05-14 19:19, john larkin wrote: >>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 22:28:23 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2025-05-13 18:14, Bill Sloman wrote: >>>>>> On 13/05/2025 11:48 pm, john larkin wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 May 2025 12:57:47 +0200, "Carlos E.R." >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> Nukes are great, but not if you tear them down. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nukes are remarkably expensive, and depressingly inflexible. >>>>>> Radiation >>>>>> damage to the structure means that you do have to tear them down >>>>>> after a >>>>>> few decades of use, and the radioactive waste starts off very >>>>>> radioactive, and the longer-lived isotopes have to be managed for >>>>>> a few >>>>>> hundred thousand years. >>>>> >>>>> And the investors building the stations do not consider the cost of >>>>> managing the waste for centuries. They leave that part to the >>>>> government. In Spain, we don't have any long term nuclear waste >>>>> storage. >>>>> I think we rent storage in France, so the waste has to be transported >>>>> there. We have some storage at each station, a large water pool. >>>> >>>> The best thing to do with used fuel rods is reprocess them into more >>>> fuel. >>> >>> Something that is expensive and not every country can do. >> >> A couple of very remote places in the world could do that. And we'd >> get lots of fun isotopes too. Can't leave hot rods in a zillion pools >> forever. >> >>> >>>> When that's not feasible, dig a deep hole and dump it in. Or drop >>>> barrels of junk into an ocean subduction zone. >>> >>> That's simply wrong. >>> >>>> It's irrational to store nuclear waste locally. Nuke policy is mostly >>>> fear driven. And nukes are unpopular in some quarters by people who >>>> really don't want us to have affordable, safe energy. >>> >>> I have a very rational and studied fear of nuclear power. >> >> Why?  It's very safe when done carefully. >> >> The little modular reactors sound cool. > > Putting used nuclear fuel someplace deepish underground is important. > While a nuclear war would be very very bad, surface storage makes it > much, much worse. > [...] Yes! Now convince the populace and the politicians. Jeroen Belleman