Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joes Newsgroups: sci.math Subject: Re: Incompleteness of Cantor's enumeration of the rational numbers (extra-ordinary) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 16:21:32 -0000 (UTC) Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <9bcc128b-dea8-4397-9963-45c93d1c14c7@att.net> <50c82b03-8aa1-492c-9af3-4cf2673d6516@att.net> <5a122d22-2b21-4d65-9f5b-4f226eebf9d4@att.net> <3af23566-0dfc-4001-b19b-96e5d4110fee@tha.de> <9627c2aea5e3ebabd917ab0b9d1c7b241821d893@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2024 16:21:32 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1680687"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="nS1KMHaUuWOnF/ukOJzx6Ssd8y16q9UPs1GZ+I3D0CM"; User-Agent: Pan/0.145 (Duplicitous mercenary valetism; d7e168a git.gnome.org/pan2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Am Thu, 05 Dec 2024 22:31:01 +0100 schrieb WM: > On 05.12.2024 21:11, joes wrote: >> Am Thu, 05 Dec 2024 20:30:22 +0100 schrieb WM: >>> On 05.12.2024 18:12, Jim Burns wrote: >>>> On 12/5/2024 4:00 AM, WM wrote: >>>>> On 04.12.2024 21:36, Jim Burns wrote: >>>>>> On 12/4/2024 12:29 PM, WM wrote: >>>> >>>>>> No intersection of more.than.finitely.many end.segments of the >>>>>> finite.cardinals holds a finite.cardinal,  or is non.empty. >>>>> Small wonder. >>>>> More than finitely many endsegments require infinitely many indices, >>>>> i.e., all indices. No natnumbers are remaining in the contents. >>>> ⎛ That's the intersection. >>> And it is the empty endsegment. >> There is no empty segment. > If all natnumbers have been lost, then nothing remains. If there are > infinitely many endsegments, then all contents has become indices. Yes, and then we don't need any more "contents". >>> The contents cannot disappear "in the limit". It has to be lost one by >>> one if ∀k ∈ ℕ : E(k+1) = E(k) \ {k} is really true for all natnumbers. >> Same thing. Every finite number is "lost" in some segment. >> All segments are infinite. > Two identical sequences have the same limit. > As long as all endsegments are infinite so is their intersection. As long as you intersect only finitely many segments. >>>>> More than finitely many endsegments require infinitely many indices, >>>>> i.e., all indices. No natnumbers are remaining in the contents. >> I really don't understand this connection. First, this also makes every >> segment infinite. The set of all indices is the infinite N. > Yes. It is E(1) having all natnumbers as its content. And there is no empty segment. -- Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math: It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.