Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: John Harshman Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Junk DNA fraction and mutational load Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2025 17:59:33 +0530 Organization: University of Ediacara Lines: 35 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="13780"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 44F7222978C; Thu, 06 Feb 2025 07:29:42 -0500 (EST) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FEFE229783 for ; Thu, 06 Feb 2025 07:29:40 -0500 (EST) by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.98) for talk-origins@moderators.isc.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id 1tg10i-00000000Eck-2Dor; Thu, 06 Feb 2025 13:29:36 +0100 by egress-mx.phmgmt.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9609860B42 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2025 12:29:05 +0000 (UTC) by serv-1.ord.giganews.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81E2E445B85 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 2025 06:29:34 -0600 (CST) by serv-1.i.ord.giganews.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id 516CTY0e059442; Thu, 6 Feb 2025 06:29:34 -0600 X-Authentication-Warning: serv-1.i.ord.giganews.com: news set sender to poster@giganews.com using -f X-Path: news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail X-NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2025 12:29:33 +0000 Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Original-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 On 1/27/25 11:25 PM, MarkE wrote: > Dan Graur has argued that for purifying selection to prevent mutational > load runaway, the functional fraction of the genome must be constrained > (to 10-15%?). > > If the mutation rate was halved, would the allowable functional fraction > double? Or is it not that simple? > > I posted a comment on Sandwalk criticising the latest Long Story Short > video's treatment of the c-value paradox: > https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2025/01/intelligent-design-creationists-launch.html > > I also posted a query on this paper which argues against Graur's > conclusion: "Mutational Load and the Functional Fraction of the Human > Genome" > https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/12/4/273/5762616?login=false > > Larry Moran responded with "Graur refereed that paper and he now agrees > with the general conclusion that the mutation load argument does not put > a severe constraint on the fraction of functional DNA in the human genome." > > Is this now generally accepted? > > Note though the paper referenced has this conclusion: "We stress that > we, in this work, take no position on the actual proportion of the human > genome that is likely to be functional. It may indeed be quite low, as > the contemporary evidence from species divergence and intraspecies > polymorphism data suggests. Many of the criticisms of the ENCODE claim > of 80% functionality (e.g., Doolittle 2013; Graur 2013) strike us as > well founded. Our conclusion is simply that an argument from mutational > load does not appear to be particularly limiting on f." > Yes, the mutational load argument for junk DNA is now generally rejected. The remaining arguments, however, are conclusive. 90% of your genome is junk.