Path: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: moviePig Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Nationwide injunctions Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 17:29:38 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 67 Message-ID: <104pbc3$1281v$2@dont-email.me> References: <103pknh$129f7$2@dont-email.me> <104p1h3$10111$4@dont-email.me> <104p4ul$1126q$1@dont-email.me> <104p5s7$10111$8@dont-email.me> <104p744$116tg$3@dont-email.me> Reply-To: nobody@nowhere.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 23:29:40 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="62c59162367aa61f15194ee8b13bf952"; logging-data="1122367"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/f3eeblJSocZv0nPDmc2f0rqr8IRFciqQ=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:brjeJi9sZCJ5eNSA/VLaDnyL718= In-Reply-To: <104p744$116tg$3@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US On 7/10/2025 4:17 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote: > BTR1701 wrote: >> On Jul 10, 2025 at 12:40:04 PM PDT, "moviePig" wrote: >> >>> On 7/10/2025 2:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>> On Jun 28, 2025 at 1:53:05 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Trump challenged three nationwide injunctions blocking enforcement of >>>>> his executive order ending birthright citizenship. >>>>> >>>>> Most such injunctions will end although I think there are exceptions I >>>>> don't understand. These can be filed as class actions but the Supreme >>>>> Court earlier in John Roberts' tenure made it extremely difficult to >>>>> file as a class, hence the nationwide injunctions. >>>>> >>>>> I'm a bit sympathetic to Trump's argument that plaintiffs seeking >>>>> equitable relief will jurisdiction shop and the government must defend >>>>> case after case after case. >>>>> >>>>> However, there should be nationwide injunctions allowed against the >>>>> government without jurisdiction shopping. Last I looked, Washington >>>>> remains the seat of government. Give that district court exclusive >>>>> authority so the government might defend one case and not myriad cases. >>>>> Congress would have to fix that. >>>>> >>>>> By the way, this affected the administrations of Democratic presidents >>>>> too, so Republicans are losing plenty of political leverage. >>>>> >>>>> I don't agree with Amy Coney Barrett. If the president is about to do >>>>> something unconstitutional, why shouldn't he be enjoined? Certainly >>>>> there is court jurisdiction for that. >>>>> >>>>> The merits of the case were not at issue in this ruling and talking >>>>> heads were saying it's unlikely that, if these cases continue in trial >>>>> courts, Trump will win on the merits. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> https://www.scotusblog.com/2025/06/supreme-court-sides-with-trump-administration-on-nationwide-injunctions-in-birthright-citizenship-case/ >>>> >>>> So it appears that after a New Hampshire district court judge had his >>>> nationwide injunction against Trump's birthright citizenship EO overturned >>>> by >>>> SCOTUS, he has now certified a class action against it so that he can reach >>>> more than just the plaintiff with his ruling. My question is that, since >>>> Trump's EO is not retroactive and only applies to future children born here, >>>> how can there be anyone with standing to certify a class? >>>> >>>> Do "unborn future people" have rights under the Constitution? If so, then >>>> the >>>> abortion debate seems to be conclusively over. >>> >>> You've answered your own question: they gain standing as they're born >>> ...adding to those born between Trump's order and the judge's ruling. >> >> It doesn't work that way. A plaintiff has to have standing the moment the >> lawsuit is filed. > > As I've noted before, with human life beginning at conception, then the > parents would have to prove they had sex in the United States, which > would put an end to birth tourism. Foreigners can Fedex their frozen egg and sperm for U.S. fertilization.