Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jdchase310@gmail.com (Jordy) Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments,rec.arts.poems Subject: Re: "New Poetic Visions: Octavio Paz" Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 17:42:56 +0000 Organization: novaBBS Message-ID: References: <2f13863459fc23a9c4e48f3363d0b081@www.novabbs.com> <49c716f562da48d9fb16dccc4ac1993d@www.novabbs.com> <7f8de874ae87d8f00b8cb2bf9e93d383@www.novabbs.com> <13136504c50231dbe40a23a15c25372b@www.novabbs.com> <2a797f80b63041bc44f1620d8c424035@www.novabbs.com> <6f64fb2ba13600fce77252a6c8bdc29c@www.novabbs.com> <3757ca6cfbb5b0279cbab7eded416724@www.novabbs.com> <549002d6009cb5bca8fead0296f42114@www.novabbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="2845335"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="j8QZjpn8ovG1aN2bcf6vR78j1sa/SNS86obGC/iCO58"; User-Agent: Rocksolid Light X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 X-Rslight-Site: $2y$10$ZnO1IpDIpA1FTgmxt8hbQOP1WM/ianOI13cd6RsCXfBKXe5aKV/mC X-Rslight-Posting-User: 801f6d01923a1899ef497eb5ae1a977b4087483f On Sat, 29 Mar 2025 21:46:11 +0000, W.Dockery wrote: > On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 15:13:09 +0000, Jordy wrote: > >> Will Dockery wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 5 Mar 2025 5:10:07 +0000, Jordy wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2025 4:59:41 +0000, Will Dockery wrote: >>>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> Will Dockery wrote: >>>>>>>>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyolQMnelM >>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good choice, Jordy. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read a book by Octavio Paz several years ago. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice section in the book Strange Bedfellows (And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The History of Modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poetry", Page 311 by David Perkins, which is where >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steven Watson seems to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have gotten most of his information) about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movement that took off around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1910 (and not before in any major way, although the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> form can be traced back >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as far as Beowulf, the writer claims) the "Poets of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt" aka "Free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Versers". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound and Amy Lowell seem to me to be the most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> famous poets of this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group. In 1912, Pound wrote "I believe in /Absolute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rhythm/, that is [...] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poetry that corresponds exactly to the emotion being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expressed..." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Poets of Revolt term was supposedly generic for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the new poets, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writers of the 1910s also known as "free-versers" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and vers librists, because >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they championed the rise of free verse, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced fixed stanzas, meter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and rhyme with Absolute Rhythm, as Erza Pound called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, there were other distinctive factions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during 1910-1917 and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Tramp Poets (!) aka Hobohemians, led by Vachel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lindsay, Harry Kemp and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> others, The Patagonians, Imagists and the Otherists >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all fit under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generic (and sometimes sneering) label of Poets of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Revolt, the Free-Versers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poets loosely associated with these groups included: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Aldington >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amy Lowell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vacel Lindsay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry Kemp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donald Evans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allen Norton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Louise Norton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> H.D. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mina Loy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> William Carlos Williams >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alfred Kreymborg >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ezra Pound >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the Saturday Evening Post of April 7th 1917 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sinclair Lewis wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "It is called /free verse/ because it doesn't pay." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatest of the old school not to be forgotten...... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ping: Jordy: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm reading of another from that great generation of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> poets, Octavio Paz: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1974/05/16/dazzling-and-dizzying/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is the mirror that devours mirrors..." -Octavio >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paz, “Masks of Dawn” >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Playful and pompous by turns, cosmopolitan, provincial, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lucid, hazy, brave, evasive, Octavio Paz is the Platonic idea of a Latin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American intellectual; and not the least of his achievements is to fill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with charm and distinction and irony that difficult and wearying role. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the intellectual in Latin America is critic, clown, priest, radical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> agitator, and Victorian school-master all at once"a man for far too many >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasons. He must evaluate the past, scoff at the present, bless new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movements in literature and art, discreetly encourage the right kind of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revolution, and compose ritual letters of recommendation for his country >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and countrymen. Among other things..." >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Will >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great to see you, my friend. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello there my friend, great to see you again tonight. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hola Will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good afternoon again my friend. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ciao Will >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello again my friend. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This is a response to the post seen at: >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=660625304#660625304 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Shalom Will >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Good morning again my friend. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bonjour Will >>>>> >>>>> Great to see you again today, Jordy. >>>> >>>> Hola Mr Will >>> >>> Good afternoon again my friend. >> >> Ciao Will >> >> -- > > Great to see your again my friend. Shalom Will --