Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko Newsgroups: comp.lang.c Subject: Re: Disagreeing with tautologies is always incorrect Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 10:39:24 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 48 Message-ID: <101bnbc$cjr2$1@dont-email.me> References: <1019v06$3u8nj$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 09:39:24 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8ba5fab209dfc12ce6341e9dad8117d4"; logging-data="413538"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+vCtfV/famk2YpF6ajBOX9" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:bOTcSKnv1t8cHFIS23flfCMln5s= On 2025-05-29 15:37:42 +0000, olcott said: > HHH is a simulating termination analyzer that uses > an x86 emulator to emulate its input. HHH is capable > of emulating itself emulating DDD. > > HHH is executed within the x86utm operating system > that enables any C function to execute another C > function in debug step mode. > > *Here is the fully operational code* > https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c > > void DDD() > { > HHH(DDD); > return; > } > > _DDD() > [00002192] 55 push ebp > [00002193] 8bec mov ebp,esp > [00002195] 6892210000 push 00002192 > [0000219a] e833f4ffff call 000015d2 // call HHH > [0000219f] 83c404 add esp,+04 > [000021a2] 5d pop ebp > [000021a3] c3 ret > Size in bytes:(0018) [000021a3] > > > If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its > input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D > would never stop running unless aborted then > > It is a tautology that any input D to termination > analyzer H that *would never stop running unless aborted* > DOES SPECIFY NON-TERMINATING BEHAVIOR. > > Simulating Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369971402_Simulating_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D > DIsagreeing with a false claim justified by a fallacy from a tautology is always correct. -- Mikko