Path: news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Catrike Ryder Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: fast tires Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 13:12:37 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 143 Message-ID: <43br4kphtfbiuiupfc68342l551cmdpb4a@4ax.com> References: <102fhbh$2tbi7$4@dont-email.me> <102h498$3e25a$2@dont-email.me> <102hf5b$3gh36$3@dont-email.me> <102hfnu$3e25a$9@dont-email.me> <102ik0h$3pqqt$1@dont-email.me> <102k2dc$8df9$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2025 19:12:39 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="bd8cbf436333061ee8b41e531495d4b6"; logging-data="345182"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18cBZlU3KQVuGQ2uCtVqNqpinMh0W7lVc0=" User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272 Cancel-Lock: sha1:N+F0gOiF0JMLWbPQZketqLYZWiE= On 14 Jun 2025 16:37:57 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >Catrike Ryder wrote: >> On 14 Jun 2025 15:46:00 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >> >>> Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>> On 6/14/2025 9:54 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>> Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>> On 14 Jun 2025 13:30:03 GMT, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Catrike Ryder wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 21:41:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 11:22 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 11:12 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/13/2025 8:07 AM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 5:37 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 3:46 PM, Zen Cycle wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/12/2025 3:23 PM, Mark J cleary wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zen how are you doing after the car hit seems like riding inside. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As well as can be expected. PT and Orthopedist said indoor trainer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is fine, but stop if I feel any pain. Cracked ribs have healed, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shoulder sprain is slow going (In the words of the ortho >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Everything is where it should be and somehow nothing is broken, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you just crushed it). I passed the concussion protocol three days >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the hit (failed it a few hours after the hit). I have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rehab the MCL to a certain level before they'll schedule surgery >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the ACL - Then it's another 6-9 months of rehab. They're >>>>>>>>>>>>>> thinking early august time frame for the surgery....maybe. IOW I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't be riding outside until next march at the earliest :( . >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wow, I'd forgotten all about that. Sorry to hear it. >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think it's been mentioned here before, but thanks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm curious about what happened. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A pickup truck waited until I was just in front of him to accelerate >>>>>>>>>> from a stop sign. I didn't even have time to hit the brakes. Garmin >>>>>>>>>> shows me at about 23 mph at the time of impact. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://www.strava.com/activities/14315468852 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Again, sorry to hear it. There are some crashes that are just >>>>>>>>> unavoidable, just as with driving, walking, etc. Fortunately, they are >>>>>>>>> rare. Hope you heal quickly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Really??? unavoidable crashes while walking? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In the US you?re seem to be the outlier regarding pedestrians deaths, ie >>>>>>> other countries the trend to down. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At any rate, those unavoidable crashes on bikes on streets and roads >>>>>>>> are primary reason I don't ride there much any more. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks to be if any even more hostile for pedestrians in the US with wide >>>>>>> junctions/roads and right turning traffic, and essentially missing >>>>>>> pavement, aka infrastructure. Vs bikes which are faster and all that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hence I guess the walking and cycling rates, both usage and injuries. Which >>>>>>> are trending down/up in direct opposite to UK/Europe etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> C'est bon >>>>>>>> Soloman >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Roger Merriman >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been involved in accidents while driving, and some while >>>>>> bicycling, but I've never had even had a "close call" while walking. >>>>>> Krygowski's comment about walking crashes" was because of his need to >>>>>> rationalize Juniors accident. Truth is that walking "crashes" are most >>>>>> likly to occur when the walker is walking where the law says he >>>>>> shouldn't be walking. >>>>> >>>>> Which is absolutely a car centric political move, aka car companies >>>>> lobbying to have jaywalking law passed. >>>>> >>>>> That and other laws/design choices make walking a much less useable for >>>>> utility, I?ve walked to get a few groceries then sat in cafe before >>>>> returning home. All very easy, much easier than car or bike. >>>>> >>>>> I?d assume that pedestrian deaths are kinda binary ie one is fine or not. >>>> The timid Floridian is still paranoid about bicycling, and apparently >>>> ignorant of relevant data - or more likely, rejecting relevant data >>>> because it doesn't jibe with his world view. ("Reality is biased against >>>> the right wing.") >>>> >>>> There are roughly 1000 bike fatalities per year in the U.S. vs. about >>>> 7000 pedestrian fatalities. Most sources say cycling is safer per mile >>>> traveled than pedestrian travel. >>>> >>> >>> Indeed though considering how poorly provided for pedestrians seem to be in >>> the US and that the rate is rising compared to other 1st world etc places, >>> that?s a relatively low bar really! >>> >>> Would seem a slight increase in rate. Which is broadly what one would >>> expect I guess. >>> >>> Absolutely it?s clearly not a high risk method of travel, though as ever >>> risk and how comfortable it may feel are two different things. >>> >>> Roger Merriman >> >> As I said, most pedestrian accidents happen where the pedistrian is >> not supposed to be, as dictated by law. Not so with bicycle accidents. >> >> Obey the law, reduce the risk. >> >And if your pedestrian crossing has right turning traffic etc, ie will have >cars crossing as you are despite the sigh for you to go as US is very much >about car design. > >Go for a walk about your neighbourhood and look really look at the >pavements and crossings. > >Other places tend not to have jaywalking laws and have big bustling city’s >and big roads but have lower fatalities rate and one that is getting lower >US is the outlier in that it’s increasing. > >> -- >> C'est bon >> Soloman >> > >Roger Merriman Like I said elsewhere, location and circumstance are relevant. Just looking at total numbers and total miles traveled produces irrelevant conclusions, that "some ignorant people" accept because it fits their agenda. -- C'est bon Soloman