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Failed to connect to MySQL: (1203) User howardkn already has more than 'max_user_connections' active connectionsPath: nntp.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: RonO Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: New infections with the dairy virus not being counted Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 16:42:10 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 72 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <103v0bl$2d7t8$1@dont-email.me> Reply-To: rokimoto557@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="99883"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:XkTPrX3gVhafNXmeJYhfsfYfffk= Return-Path: X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 32A5E22978C; Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:42:19 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D59C6229783 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2025 17:42:16 -0400 (EDT) by pi-dach.dorfdsl.de (8.18.1/8.18.1/Debian-6~bpo12+1) with ESMTPS id 55ULgGcg1195759 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2025 23:42:17 +0200 (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 105B95FF1D for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2025 21:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/105B95FF1D; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id BED1ADC01D3; Mon, 30 Jun 2025 23:42:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2025 23:42:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX1/a+tMavYvuTUCL7+8cXEi6O5meGD2KnS4= Content-Language: en-US DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FREEMAIL_FORGED_REPLYTO, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO_END_DIGIT,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS,URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS, USER_IN_WELCOMELIST,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org https://hogvet51.substack.com/p/h5n1-dairy-infection-narratives-and I found this site on dairy influenza, and this article notes most of what I have been reporting on. The lack of testing and epidemiology studies. They still do not know how the cows are getting infected. The claim that contaminated milking equipment might be the source of infection or animal contact can't be replicated. Cows living with infected cows do not get infected, and repeated contact with contaminated milking equipment failed to transmit the virus. The missing component in the tests were infected dairy workers working with the cattle. There is also the note that they do not know how the poultry farms are getting infected even though they go down around infected dairies. Again they fail to note that infected dairy workers likely also work at the poultry farms. It seems crazy that they haven't figured out how dairy workers are transmitting the virus to the cows and poultry. This article also notes that the USDA is not reporting new infections if they occur in states that have cleared the virus already. Apparently Colorado has started to report more infected herds, but they aren't counted because the herds were previously infected last year. They aren't even noting if it is the D1.1 virus or the B3.13 dairy infection. Nevada and Arizona were infected with the D1.1 genotype, and it turned out to be the same lineage that infected the Washington state poultry workers, and the Wyoming human patient and the Nevada dairies and dairy worker. These were the poultry workers that got caught leaving Washington (several of them were detected as positive in Oregon and sent back to Washington). What likely happened is that some of the infected poultry workers or their contacts were not detected and managed to get to Nevada and eventually Wyoming and Arizona. The epidemiology was never attempted. They never tested the dairy workers and never did contact tracing between the dairies in Nevada and Arizona. They knew that they didn't get cattle, but they refused to determine if dairy workers had moved from state to state. QUOTE: We continue to have good evidence that both the B3.13 and D1.1 strains persist in infected herds and spread onward to new herds and to poultry flocks via unknown mechanisms despite assumed best efforts to contain spread with quarantines and increased biosecurity. END QUOTE: From this guys article the missing link to infecting more dairy cattle are the dairy workers. The studies that failed to transmit the virus did not have infected dairy workers working with the cattle. One early article noted that dairy workers were likely getting eye infections because they wiped their faces with the same towel that they washed the cows utters with before applying the suction cups. Spreading the virus could work both ways with that towel. They refuse to make restricting dairy worker movements a requirement for quarantine. It is still only recommended that dairy workers do not work on other farms if they work at an infected dairy. No one should wonder how it spreads to other herds after all the infected herds have been identified and quarantined. It has been known since the first flocks got infected in Michigan that dairy workers from infected dairies also worked on the commercial farms that got infected. How the poultry flocks are being infected should be no mystery. This guy also notes that poultry flocks are going down with the dairy virus in the Midwest and those states are not reporting infected dairy herds as is likely the case. Everyone understands that the poultry flocks are getting infected by the nearby dairy herds, but no one wants to admit that dairy workers are taking the virus to the poultry farms. Ron Okimoto