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From: Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: Faking a TTY on a pipe/socketpair
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2024 22:40:30 -0000 (UTC)
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On 2024-12-11, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:33:29 -0000 (UTC), Muttley wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:55:05 -0000 (UTC)
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wibbled:
>>>
>>> One thing lacking from sysvinit is, while it can start a service, it
>>> cannot ensure the service was started properly, and it cannot perform
>>> reliable service shutdown. So the job of service management was really
>>> only half-done.
>> 
>> It doesn't need to , it can just spawn off a script or some other
>> program which does that which is entirely inline with the unix
>> philosophy.
>
> Which is where the trouble starts.
>
>> Something Poettering never understood.
>
> Poettering understands that services don???t just to be started, they also 
> need to be managed and shut down cleanly.

My God, how did we all manage running services before systemd came along?