Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.xs3.de!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail
From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: talk.origins
Subject: Re: Dawkins the 'Cultural Christian'
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2024 13:06:59 +0100
Organization: University of Ediacara
Lines: 48
Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org
Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org
Message-ID: <tr8i1j5h69c8nsgf6v2c1sfci2c8gst0e2@4ax.com>
References: <bjhf1j501cj6hfjbuv11jagif99957bp58@4ax.com> <86il0op1vt.fsf@example.com> <ss4g1jtu8l3loacjhig2bgnoqv3e0hredp@4ax.com> <uvacqu$25n02$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89";
	logging-data="93931"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org"
User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
To: talk-origins@moderators.individual.net
Cancel-Lock: sha1:b05lmayCBQ3phS0T2qUme7563bg= sha256:DUYHuMwTa3BrSiEWSJbh1xiVMSQgNT7DVOjSYuxAW1A=
Return-Path: <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>
X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org
Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org
	id 641AF22976C; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 08:07:08 -0400 (EDT)
	by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C7A7229758
	for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 08:07:06 -0400 (EDT)
          by moderators.individual.net (Exim 4.97)
          for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with esmtps (TLS1.3)
          tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
          (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>)
          id 1rvFga-000000047Ps-2B5N; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:07:16 +0200
          by outpost.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.97)
          for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with esmtps (TLS1.3)
          tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
          (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>)
          id 1rvFgK-00000002hDd-1nx1; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:07:00 +0200
          by relay1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.97)
          for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with esmtps (TLS1.3)
          tls TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384
          (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>)
          id 1rvFgK-00000001ssi-1XkJ; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:07:00 +0200
          for talk-origins@moderators.individual.net with local-bsmtp
          (envelope-from <mod-submit@uni-berlin.de>)
          id 1rvFgJ-000000031yM-0oHF; Fri, 12 Apr 2024 14:06:59 +0200
X-Path: individual.net!not-for-mail
X-Orig-X-Trace: individual.net hs1MU5k37WOI7/ZqifkYOA3ghGKWV5y9DDk0/5NQhwJAGBCpdu
X-Originating-IP: 130.133.4.5
X-ZEDAT-Hint: RO
Bytes: 4559

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 22:20:46 -0600, Pro Plyd
<invalide@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 12:36:22 +0100, Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> Dawkins has blamed religion for most of the evil in the world and has
>>>> described teaching religion to children as worse than sexual abuse.
>>>> Beats me how he can see "cultural" benefit in something so bad. Mind
>>>> you, he has come out with some rather weird views in recent years.
>>>
>>> I should think he does it by cherry picking which bits of the bible to
>>> pay attention to, which is what Christians do too, but different bits.
>> 
>> I've read quite a bit of Dawkins over the years, he's one of my
>> favourite *science* writers but he's really dreadful when he starts
>> harping on about religion. AFAIR, he never suggested that parts of
>> religious beliefs were ok, he unequivocally condemned *all* religious
>> beliefs. I can't remember where but I recall him saying that the Pope
>> and the Archbishop of Canterbury weren't really much better than Osama
>> bin Laden, they just presented a kinder face.
>
>I'm reminded of a couple of Gandhi quotes
>
>
>"If Christians would really live according
>to the teachings of Christ, as found in the
>Bible, all of India would be Christian today."
>
>
>"Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you
>Christians - you are not like him."
>
>“I like your Christ, I do not like your
>Christians. Your Christians are so
>unlike your Christ.”

Do you think Gandhi was applying that to *all* Christians or even
Christians in general and, if so do you agree with him?

>
>
>and for extra credit
>
>"What do I think of Western civilization? I
>think it would be a very good idea."