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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Can D simulated by H terminate normally? --- Date: Fri, 3 May 2024 07:17:20 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 47 Message-ID: <v12kkg$hk7o$2@dont-email.me> References: <v0k4jc$laej$1@dont-email.me> <v0l11u$ussl$1@dont-email.me> <v0lh24$123q3$1@dont-email.me> <v0lic7$2g492$3@i2pn2.org> <v0lkas$12q0o$3@dont-email.me> <v0loq2$2g493$1@i2pn2.org> <v0lq7d$14579$2@dont-email.me> <v0ls98$2g492$7@i2pn2.org> <v0m29q$166o1$1@dont-email.me> <v0m37e$2gl1e$1@i2pn2.org> <v0m3v5$16k3h$1@dont-email.me> <v0m55t$2gl1f$3@i2pn2.org> <v0m5sn$172p4$1@dont-email.me> <v0o87n$1p7s5$1@dont-email.me> <v0oab4$1pbn5$3@dont-email.me> <v0qh21$2df66$1@dont-email.me> <v0r40q$2hb7o$5@dont-email.me> <v0t3aa$33g49$1@dont-email.me> <v0todh$3881i$2@dont-email.me> <v0ummt$2qov3$2@i2pn2.org> <v0v4i7$3l29l$13@dont-email.me> <v0vrvb$2s5vs$2@i2pn2.org> <v10n6i$ese$4@dont-email.me> <v11fpt$2tlr1$1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 03 May 2024 14:17:20 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="42a0fc3cdc0841239d3b757772d0e924"; logging-data="577784"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/tar+v21FTv+a/zZGRS7ZD" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:zo48hHPYTCNQzmk7ophnbQ9bUbo= In-Reply-To: <v11fpt$2tlr1$1@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3213 On 5/2/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 5/2/24 2:48 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 5/2/2024 6:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 5/2/24 12:24 AM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 5/1/2024 7:28 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 5/1/24 11:51 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> Every D simulated by H that cannot possibly stop running unless >>>>>> aborted by H does specify non-terminating behavior to H. When >>>>>> H aborts this simulation that does not count as D halting. >>>>> >>>>> Which is just meaningless gobbledygook by your definitions. >>>>> >>>>> It means that >>>>> >>>>> int H(ptr m, ptr d) { >>>>> return 0; >>>>> } >>>>> >>>> >>>> Your H is not simulating D at all thus not >>>> "Every D simulated by H" quoted above >>> >>> >>> Yes it is, it is just aborting the simulation before it started. >>> >> >> "Interpreting" {D is simulated by H} as {D is NEVER simulated by H} >> does not seem honest to me. >> > > But ALL steps simulated by H were correctly simulated, weren't they? > YOU DIDN'T MEET THIS SPEC AND YOU KNOW IT AND WEASEL WORDS WILL NOT HELP (a) It is a verified fact that D(D) simulated by H cannot possibly reach past line 03 of D(D) simulated by H whether H aborts its simulation or not. > > Just shows you don't understand the essential nature of the problem, > perhaps taken slightly too extreme. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer