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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: sci.logic Subject: Re: This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 05:52:03 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 60 Message-ID: <v97goj$ielu$1@dont-email.me> References: <v86olp$5km4$1@dont-email.me> <v8a4vf$uhll$1@dont-email.me> <v8aqh7$11ivs$1@dont-email.me> <v8cr4g$1gk19$1@dont-email.me> <v8dinp$1kii7$1@dont-email.me> <v8hv72$2mmsq$1@dont-email.me> <v8iisj$2qetj$1@dont-email.me> <v8kuhb$3d5q8$1@dont-email.me> <v8lc7p$3f6vr$2@dont-email.me> <v8naa8$3uo7s$1@dont-email.me> <v8nqo7$1n09$1@dont-email.me> <v8sm9o$1gk42$1@dont-email.me> <v8t2fl$1ilg6$2@dont-email.me> <v8v97m$2cofk$1@dont-email.me> <v8vusp$32fso$16@dont-email.me> <v91p95$3ppav$1@dont-email.me> <v92q4f$37e9$1@dont-email.me> <v94l1p$ldq7$1@dont-email.me> <v95c2j$p5rb$4@dont-email.me> <v95cke$p5rb$5@dont-email.me> <v977fo$gsru$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2024 12:52:04 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="ec0d1ee71ceed677a7540299f25b1a73"; logging-data="604862"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+91Ds5IXtxk7ZugUCneXFU" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:Jt12WEilzzRv8IdLBer2tohP7J8= In-Reply-To: <v977fo$gsru$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3928 On 8/10/2024 3:13 AM, Mikko wrote: > On 2024-08-09 15:29:18 +0000, olcott said: > >> On 8/9/2024 10:19 AM, olcott wrote: >>> On 8/9/2024 3:46 AM, Mikko wrote: >>>> On 2024-08-08 16:01:19 +0000, olcott said: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> It does seem that he is all hung up on not understanding >>>>> how the synonymity of bachelor and unmarried works. >>>> >>>> What in the synonymity, other than the synonymity itself, >>>> would be relevant to Quine's topic? >>>> >>> >>> He mentions it 98 times in his paper >>> https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html >>> I haven't looked at it in years. >>> >>>>> I don't really give a rat's ass what he said all that matters >>>>> to me is that I have defined expressions of language that are >>>>> {true on the basis of their meaning expressed in language} >>>>> so that I have analytic(Olcott) to make my other points. >>>> >>>> That does not justify lying. >>>> >>> >>> I never lie. Sometimes I make mistakes. >>> It looks like you only want to dodge the actual >>> topic with any distraction that you can find. >>> >>> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of >>> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines >>> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that >>> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic >>> distinction. >>> >> >> Expressions of language that are {true on the basis of >> their meaning expressed in this same language} defines >> analytic(Olcott) that overcomes any objections that >> anyone can possibly have about the analytic/synthetic >> distinction. >> >> This makes all Analytic(Olcott) truth computable or the >> expression is simply untrue because it lacks a truthmaker. > > No, it doesn't. An algrithm or at least a proof of existence of an > algrithm makes something computable. You can't compute if you con't > know how. The truth makeker of computability is an algorithm. > There is either a sequence of truth preserving operations from the set of expressions stipulated to be true (AKA the verbal model of the actual world) to x or x is simply untrue. This is how the Liar Paradox is best refuted. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer