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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: V5 --- Professor Sipser --- Execution trace of simulating termination analyzer HHH on DDD input Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:08:05 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 39 Message-ID: <vadej5$1h1jn$2@dont-email.me> References: <va104l$376ed$4@dont-email.me> <va38qh$3ia79$1@dont-email.me> <7a1c569a699e79bfa146affbbae3eac7b91cd263@i2pn2.org> <va3f7o$3ipp3$1@dont-email.me> <729cc551062c13875686d266a5453a488058e81c@i2pn2.org> <va3kac$3nd5c$1@dont-email.me> <148bf4dd91f32379a6d81a621fb7ec3fc1e00db0@i2pn2.org> <va3lai$3nd5c$2@dont-email.me> <va46sd$3pr24$1@dont-email.me> <va4mle$3s0hu$1@dont-email.me> <5591ff08ed8f7b4bdf33813681e156b775efe0ec@i2pn2.org> <va63uu$2fo9$1@dont-email.me> <b0a86b6a1343ebb5f9112ae757768a7cbbc770b2@i2pn2.org> <va65r8$6ht7$1@dont-email.me> <26fadbf7b8cb5f93dbe18bffeff6e959251f9892@i2pn2.org> <va6b4n$7boc$1@dont-email.me> <b19eb2a29dacfa67f2f9ced0d03234e980f4c985@i2pn2.org> <va6edj$8f0p$1@dont-email.me> <e20689d26c224e4923146d425843348539ce6065@i2pn2.org> <va7tb3$h3la$1@dont-email.me> <2c6dfb2e8cdafc17fd833599dfba3843f56a281a@i2pn2.org> <vaavkc$128hl$1@dont-email.me> <vac6ns$1atfd$1@dont-email.me> <vacmpa$1d5dd$1@dont-email.me> <vadd73$1ghhg$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 22:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="9ef66ad74e187b44c1830ef5229db641"; logging-data="1607287"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/bTHMzwIBnCn6rya1+JyYU" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:xbQIFnhZiOa86xH6gc1z35CDe0c= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <vadd73$1ghhg$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3813 On 8/24/2024 2:44 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 24.aug.2024 om 15:21 schreef olcott: >> On 8/24/2024 3:47 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>> Op 23.aug.2024 om 23:40 schreef olcott: >>>> On 8/23/2024 2:24 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Thu, 22 Aug 2024 12:42:59 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> >>>>> Only IF it will in fact keep repeating, which is not the case. >>>> >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >>>> Only IF it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, *which is the case* >> >>> It is the case only if you still cheat with the Root variable, which >>> makes that HHH processes a non-input, when it is requested to predict >>> the behaviour of the input. >> >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >> stop running unless aborted then >> >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> >> The fact is that it *WOULD* in fact keep repeating, >> thus *IT DOES* get the correct answer. > > The fact is that it only happens because you make it so with cheating > with the Root variable. That THE DECISION IS CORRECT makes moot how the decision was made. If HHH simply took a wild guess HHH would still be correct. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer