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From: Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Whoops! The Atlantic Makes Trump Look EPIC In Cover Intended as a
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 13:52:38 -0500
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On 10/31/2024 4:39 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:
> 
>> On 10/30/2024 3:54 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 10/30/2024 4:39 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This raises questions about the future job of programmers. Do you
>>>>> believe that the field will be split into simple code-monkeys where
>>>>> salaries with the help of AI, will decrease more and more over 
>>>>> time, and
>>>>> the "elite" who actually are the ones who develop new algorithms, 
>>>>> tools
>>>>> and AI that serve to reduce the salaries of the code-monkeys?
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea and I am in the business of writing and selling 
>>>> software.
>>>>   Programming is an odd profession, very few programmers actually 
>>>> have a
>>>> programming degree.  My degree is in Mechanical Engineering, one of my
>>>> programmers has a PhD in Chemical Engineering, and my other programmer
>>>> has a double degree in Chemistry and Physics.
>>>
>>> Pretty much every programmer I've worked with over the last forty 
>>> five years
>>> has had a degree in computer science or computer engineering.  There
>>> have been some without degrees that learned on the job (e.g. started
>>> in product support and moved to programming, but those are the 
>>> exception,
>>> not the rule).
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many of the elite programmers never graduated from college.  Bill 
>>>> Gates,
>>>> Mark Zuckerberg, etc.
>>>
>>> Calling either of them 'elite' programmers is inaccurate.  Good 
>>> businessmen,
>>> perhaps.  Perhaps even good idea men.
>>>
>>>
>>> Windows is, however, a steaming pile.  Popular by default, not by 
>>> design.
>>
>> And you just outed yourself as an elitist with that last comment.
>>
>> Lynn
> 
> Maybe Scott is instead a man of highly refined and good taste? I agree 
> with him that windows is steaming excrement. I do acknolwedge "the power 
> of good enough" and the predatory practices of Microsoft which has 
> propelled windows to its current position.
> 
> Fortunately, on the server side, I do hope that windows ship of theseus 
> experiment with WSL, will finally reached the end station, of becoming a 
> linux. ;)

I suspect that ship sailed a long time.  It would have been nice if the 
Windows NT project was based on FreeBSD instead of the VAX VMS clone 
that Dave Cutler wrote.

I advocate the reading of "Showstopper", it will amaze you.
  
https://www.amazon.com/Showstopper-Breakneck-Windows-Generation-Microsoft/dp/1497638836

"Showstopper is the dramatic, inside story of the creation of Windows 
NT, told by Wall Street Journal reporter G. Pascal Zachary. Driven by 
the legendary David Cutler, a picked band of software engineers 
sacrifices almost everything in their lives to build a new, stable, 
operating system aimed at giving Microsoft a platform for growth through 
the next decade of development in the computing business."

Lynn