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From: RonO <rokimoto557@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: USDA announces a new Dairy Influenza testing strategy
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2024 14:32:09 -0600
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On 12/7/2024 5:52 PM, RonO wrote:
> On 12/7/2024 5:42 PM, RonO wrote:
>> On 12/7/2024 12:42 PM, erik simpson wrote:
>>> On 12/7/24 10:34 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/2024 11:40 AM, erik simpson wrote:
>>>>> On 12/7/24 8:53 AM, RonO wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/6/2024 1:22 PM, RonO wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.usda.gov/media/press-releases/2024/12/06/usda- 
>>>>>>> announces- new- federal-order-begins-national-milk-testing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The USDA is finally going to do what needed to be done at the 
>>>>>>> beginning of the dairy influenza epidemic.  They are still 
>>>>>>> calling it avian influenza when it has been primarily a dairy 
>>>>>>> infection since March. Things have just gotten to the point where 
>>>>>>> stupidity and politics can't stop them from doing the right thing 
>>>>>>> any longer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are going to start a national milk testing program that will 
>>>>>>> force the states with infected herds to admit that they have 
>>>>>>> infected herds and start them doing something about it.  They 
>>>>>>> need to protect dairy workers and poultry flocks from getting 
>>>>>>> infected by the dairy virus.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The CDC's own research in late October indicated that the dairy 
>>>>>>> H5N1 genotype B3.13 could survive the most common pasteurization 
>>>>>>> method and remain infective for at least 4 days in refrigerated 
>>>>>>> whole milk. The FDA went into denial, but claimed to start 
>>>>>>> another milk testing program, but implemented the wrong testing 
>>>>>>> protocol to determine if there was an issue with the milk 
>>>>>>> supply.  Instead of going to plants accepting contaminated milk 
>>>>>>> and testing the raw milk before pasteurization and then after 
>>>>>>> pasteurization in order to determine what went in and what came 
>>>>>>> out they asked for volunteer production facilities and volunteer 
>>>>>>> dairies that wanted their milk tested. This was obviously stupid, 
>>>>>>> but they did it, and never have announced any results from the 
>>>>>>> program. They haven't even claimed that they got enough 
>>>>>>> volunteers to do an effective study.  They probably needed to 
>>>>>>> test up to a hundred plants handling infected milk, using various 
>>>>>>> procedures to pasteurize their milk, and they needed to test them 
>>>>>>> multiple times during the days production, and on multiple 
>>>>>>> different days of the week.  They needed to determine if there 
>>>>>>> was any stage of production that could be compromized and let 
>>>>>>> infective milk enter the food supply during stages like shift 
>>>>>>> changes, maintenance, cleaning, and restart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Missouri patient and the child that got infected by the dairy 
>>>>>>> virus in California are possible cases of infection due to 
>>>>>>> ingestion of dairy products.  The CDC claims that they do not 
>>>>>>> know how the patients were infected, but their only contact with 
>>>>>>> dairy cattle was the milk that they drank.  The milk supply might 
>>>>>>> be 99% safe, but it is that 1% that could have been an issue in 
>>>>>>> California and Missouri.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It will be important to know if infective virus is surviving in 
>>>>>>> the milk supply if the virus does mutate to better infect humans, 
>>>>>>> but the FDA is not doing what they should be doing.  Why would 
>>>>>>> any regulatory agency rely on volunteers when the ones that will 
>>>>>>> not volunteer are the most likely to have the issues that they 
>>>>>>> are looking for?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/business/health-care/ 
>>>>>> article296704124.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Washington State news paper is asking why Washington with 11 
>>>>>> infected poultry workers was left off the list for starting bulk 
>>>>>> milk tank testing.  They aren't the only affected left off the 
>>>>>> initial list. a month ago the USDA claimed that they were going to 
>>>>>> initiate bulk milk tank testing in states with known infected 
>>>>>> herds within 30 days, but that may not have happened. There have 
>>>>>> been no updates on that project. I think that they announced that 
>>>>>> project around Nov. 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The USDA just announced a national program and are planning to 
>>>>>> start with Oregon, California, Colorado, Michigan, Mississippi, 
>>>>>> and Pennsylvania.  Colorado has already done several rounds of 
>>>>>> bulk milk tank testing of their dairies since they were infected 
>>>>>> and identified the second most number of infected dairies, but are 
>>>>>> way behind California in the number of infected herds, mainly 
>>>>>> because it looks like they contained the infection by identifying 
>>>>>> their infected herds. Oregon, Mississippi, and Pennsylvania have 
>>>>>> not yet adimitted to having infected herds.  So why has the USDA 
>>>>>> left out Missouri and Washington that have had infected human 
>>>>>> patients?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What happened to the program that was supposed to have started by 
>>>>>> now in the states with known infected herds?  What will happen 
>>>>>> with this current program?  Those are the questions that the USDA 
>>>>>> should be answering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's good see USDA taking an interest in these infections. The CDC 
>>>>> seemed like they weren't paying much attention to the infected 
>>>>> birds, cattle, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Both the CDC and USDA have been pretending that the dairy epidemic 
>>>> would just go away if they pretended hard enough, but reality is 
>>>> catching up with them.  The CDC already announced a program to start 
>>>> testing dairy workers a couple weeks ago, but nothing has come of 
>>>> it. Nothing came of the USDA's first announcement that they were 
>>>> going to start testing dairies in states with known infections from 
>>>> a month ago.  That attempt may have failed to get started, so they 
>>>> are claiming that they are going to start this effort.  It has been 
>>>> a fiasco for both the CDC and the USDA from the start in March.
>>>>
>>>> Ron Okimoto
>>>>
>>> Ever get the feeling that our government actually doesn't work?
>>>
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-dairy-workers- 
>> h5n1-20d6a20ea9e1047ad7a92f9da31709f8
>>
>> This is an AP news report on the CDC claiming that they were going to 
>> start testing dairy workers back in Nov. 7, but nothing seems to have 
>> happened.  The CDC's initial plan was to "monitor" the situation and 
>> wait for the virus to make the jump to infecting humans.  They claimed 
>> that they could detect human infections rapidly enough to jump in and 
>> contain the infection when it happened.  They haven't even been able 
>> to identify more infected workers in the last 30 days.  With responses 
>> like that the next world wide pandemic is pretty much assured to 
>> happen if the virus ever does mutate to infecting humans and becomes a 
>> respiratory infection.  They know where the dairy workers are getting 
>> infected, and they can't get testing implemented to identify the 
>> infected.  How did they expect to identify the infected so that they 
>> could contain the virus running through the area around the dairies?
>>
>> https://www.aphis.usda.gov/news/agency-announcements/usda-builds- 
>> actions-protect-livestock-public-health-h5n1-avian-influenza
>>
>> This is the press release where the USDA claimed that they were going 
>> to start testing infected states Oct 30th.  It seems nuts that nothing 
>> came of this, and now we have a new national goal that will take how 
>> long to implement?
>>
>> Ron Okimoto
> 
> https://abcnews.go.com/Health/usda-issues-order-raw-milk-samples- 
> nationwide-tested/story?id=116531943
> 
> Any dairy herds that test positive are required to provide information 
> that would allow contact tracing in order to track the infection.
> 
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