Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:48:25 +0000
From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
Subject: Re: The 1st Amendment Apparently Doesn't Exist in New York Either
References: <58CcnV8UJNeyK637nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v0r6en$2igjg$1@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=fixed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
User-Agent: Usenapp/0.92.2/l for MacOS
Message-ID: <-s2cnbtkjONkoaz7nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:48:25 +0000
Lines: 172
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-Trace: sv3-i6oUKZn2Dr3xNAvJ0wbipBaMIZxMT7PfOvadq2Y497+DJVYCa56mHTWrT4fXlE7Anq9rlI5hABRN2R4!aoc9JCXsIjWWqDH5WXqBl6kbWD741AchhZCGGPkZuOztfHXeIBLhDUQZTTE4QmrUw5iSANecYn+k
X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40
Bytes: 9231
X-Original-Lines: 159

On Apr 30, 2024 at 9:32:23 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> Fresh off a New York judge illegally declaring that 1/10th of the Bill of
>> Rights has been repealed in her courtroom, the governor of New York has
>> announced she'll be policing 1st Amendment protected speech if she doesn't
>> like what you're saying.
> 
>> New York Announces it Will Take Citizen Surveillance and Censorship to the
>> Next Level
> 
>> Like the plot to a dystopian movie, New York will now monitor social media
>> writings, collect data, and use law enforcement to crack down on any
>> expression it deems to be hate speech.
> 
> The article is dated Friday, November 17, 2023.

Yes, and?

>> New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) announced on Monday that the state will ramp
>> up
>> surveillance efforts of social media accounts and that law enforcement will
>> take proactive measures, including contacting people on suspicion of using
>> "hate speech".
> 
>> Hochul cited the rise in anti-Semitic activity in New York and especially New
>> York City, where the world's largest population of Jews outside of Israel
>> resides. Hochul also mentioned alleged "Islamophobic" incidents, which she
>> claimed were increasing and going under-reported.
> 
> Versus the previous governor who ignored dozens of VIOLENT incidents, in
> the New York area and upstate. The worst during this period was the
> Squirrel Hill massacre in 2018 but that was Pittsburgh.
> 
>> The governor said she would also be increasing police presence, which she
>> stated has been focused on protecting potential targets including "synagogues
>> and yeshivas and mosques and any other place that could be susceptible to
>> hate
>> crimes or violence".
> 
>> As part of that, Hochul explained, "...we're very focused on the data we're
>> collecting from surveillance efforts-- what's being said on social media
>> platforms. And we have launched an effort to be able to counter some of the
>> negativity and reach out to people when we see hate speech being spoken about
>> on online platforms. Our media analysis, our social media analysis unit, has
>> ramped up its monitoring of sites to catch incitement to violence; direct
>> threats to others, and all this is in response to our desire, our strong
>> commitment, to ensure that not only do New Yorkers be safe, but they also
>> feel
>> safe because personal security is about everything for them."
> 
>> [What the hell is the gobbledygook in that last sentence? "Not only do New
>> Yorkers be safe"? "They also feel safe because personal security is about
>> everything for them"? Who's writing this crap? Cardi B?]
> 
> Heh
> 
> I'm sure there were lots of arrests of low-hanging fruit loud mouths to
> not only do New Yorkers be safe but they'll completely miss the incitement
> and conspiracy to a specific mass violence incident.
> 
>> Last month, Hochul and New York City Mayor Eric Adams demanded that social
>> media platforms monitor speech and shut down "incitements to violence", with
>> Adams insisting, "These guys are experts. If they don't want to do their job
>> of policing themselves, I really believe it's time for the federal government
>> to step in."
> 
> Precrime!
> 
>> The calls come as Europe ramps up censorship of alleged hate speech,
>> including
>> pressuring X owner Elon Musk to censor the posts of online users.
> 
> The United States is the only country in the world with free speech as a
> civil right.
> 
>> Many European nations now have laws that have made the expression of
>> religious
>> beliefs to be viewed as banned speech. This week Finnish Member of Parliament
>> (MP) Paivi Rasanen and a Lutheran bishop were acquitted after four years of
>> trials and investigations simply for sharing the biblical view on marriage
>> and
>> sexuality.
> 
> Four years!
> 
>> And in the U.K., an Army veteran will soon be tried for silently
>> praying for his deceased son outside of an abortion clinic.
> 
> How did this not cause a diplomatic incident?

Why would it? (The UK has an army, too.)

> Stupid question, was his son actually born or is he counting an incident of
> abortion?
> 
>> [But notice these European countries  never arrest the Muslims who openly
>> call
>> for the deaths of Jews and Americans.]
> 
> Those used to be considered threats and not free speech under specific
> circumstances.
> 
>> In the U.S., politicians have demanded Internet censorship and have even
>> engaged in it themselves. For example, the Supreme Court will soon hear
>> Missouri v. Biden, a case in which the federal government coerced social
>> media
>> platforms to censor content it disagreed with-- even if the content was true.
> 
>> Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law professor at George Washington
>> University and free speech advocate who has written extensively on the issues
>> of censorship and limitations on speech, has cautioned the U.S. against
>> adopting European censorship laws that allow governments to stop people from
>> saying things that governments oppose. Despite what many think, "hate
>> speech",
>> which is subjective, is protected both by the Constitution and by Supreme
>> Court precedent.
> 
> The truth can be hateful. False speech may not be hateful but it can be
> useless or said to lead others into false conclusions.
> 
>> He wrote:
> 
>> "There have been calls to ban hate speech for years. Even former journalist
>> and Obama State Department official Richard Stengel has insisted that while
>> "the 1st Amendment protects 'the thought that we hate'... it should not
>> protect hateful speech that can cause violence by one group against another.
>> In an age when everyone has a megaphone, that seems like a design flaw."
> 
> There were pamphlets circulated encouraging open revolution versus the
> British leading to the war that founded this country.
> 
>> Actually, it was not a design flaw but the very essence of the Framers' plan
>> for a free society.
> 
> Of course it's a design flaw. All hail George III!
> 
>> The 1st Amendment does not distinguish between types of speech, clearly
>> stating: 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
>> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
>> or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
>> petition the government for a redress of grievances.'"
> 
>> He cited Brandenburg v. Ohio, a 1969 case involving "violent speech", wherein
>> the Supreme Court struck down an Ohio law prohibiting public speech that was
>> deemed as promoting illegal conduct, specifically ruling for the right of the
>> Ku Klux Klan to speak out, even though it is a hateful organization."
> 
> The speech took place on private property. It actually could have been a
> very narrow decision but it was a broadly expansive decision to protect
> black civil rights leaders who might say something incendiary BUT NOT
> incitement to unlawful activity from getting arrested for the violent or
> destructive act of someone who had heard the speech.
> 
>> That ruling led to National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie
>> in
>> 1977, where the Court unanimously ruled that the city government could not
>> constitutionally deny a permit for the American Nazi Party to hold a march in
>> the city streets, even in a city populated heavily by Holocaust survivors. 
> 
>> Turley also noted that in the 2011 case of RAV v. City of St. Paul, the Court
>> struck down a ban on any symbol that 'arouses anger, alarm or resentment in
>> others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender, and in Snyder
>> v. Phelps, also in 2011, the Court said that "the hateful protests of
>> Westboro
>> Baptist Church were protected".
> 
>>
>> https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2023/11/new-york-announces-it-will-take-citizen-surveillance-and-censorship-to-the-next-level/?twclid=2-6oshw3g6bxsmwqt160vrgne5i