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On Sun, 02 Jun 2024 13:07:18 -0700, BTR1701 wrote:

> In article<sa8p5j9mj0r18sb4ahs8m1uuglsv2vrilu@4ax.com>,
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>  wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 12:05:17 -0400, Rhino
> > <no_offline_contact@example.com>  wrote:
> >
> > > > Obviously the groups that have benefitted have been the aboriginal
> > > > groups. A prime example are the "acknowledgements" you hear everywhere
> > > > which implicitly recognize aboriginal claims that are by no means
> > > > established much less valid.
> > >
> > > I despise those land acknowledgements. I participated in an online
> > > health seminar last year via Zoom, had serious difficulties getting
> > > connected and finally arrived about two minutes late for the start of
> > > the meeting - and had to sit through a land acknowledgement. It kept me
> > > from missing any of the useful content of the meeting but it irked me
> > > to have to listen to it especially given that WE WERE ONLINE, not
> > > standing on anyone's "sacred ground".
> >
> > Since retirement I have been 'attending' a lot of McMaster webinars
> > which they publicize via the alumni association. Which of course is
> > how I learned who their native neighbors were. (The difference of
> > course being that southern Ontario is covered by native treaties
> > whereas in most of southern BC - which is where 95% of the population
> > is - native groups (I refuse to call them 'nations' since to me the
> > idea of a 'nation' with under 10000 population being equal to Britain,
> > France the US etc is beyond ludicrous) get all kinds of benefits from
> > me and thee and have reserves but mostly no treaties) Obviously I know
> > who all the tribes are in the areas of Vancouver and Victoria since
> > you always hear them when there's a government announcement.
>
> About a month and a half a go, I went to a city council meeting for the
> first time because I wanted to see what their plans were regarding some
> adjustments to traffic flow in my neighborhood.
>
> The meeting started not with the Pledge of Allegiance to America, but
> rather an "acknowledgment" that America is systemically racist and the
> land our city is built on was stolen from the Gabrieleno Tongva tribe.
>
> (And how does a native American tribe end up with a hispanic name in the
> first place? If that's what the original Spanish settlers called them,
> isn't it perpetuating the racism or whatever to memorialize them with
> the name their oppressors gave them?)
>
> When it came time for public comment, I got up and told them that (1)
> you say it's "acknowledged" that America is systemically racist as if
> that's a settled question of fact and not open for debate or challenge.
> It is not. And (2) if you acknowledge the city and all its facilities
> are stolen property, I'd like to know your timeline for giving it back
> to its rightful owners. Because that's what you do with stolen property,
> is it not? You give it back. If you're not planning on giving it back,
> you're just a bunch of smug, insufferable leftist idiots who get off on
> signaling your dubious virtue to everyone else.
>
> About half the rest of the people in the room gave me applause, which
> was far more than I ever expected in California. So maybe there's hope
> for us yet.

Thanks for speaking up for the silent half!