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From: Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
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Subject: Re: Chinese semiconductors
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 13:12:01 +0100
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On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 17:00:03 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff
>>><dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>>>>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
>>>>>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
>>>>>> semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap
>>>>>>>>>>> plications
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good grief. Crazy numbers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a normal ratio.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> RL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in
>>>>>>>>> one year is absurd.  It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese
>>>>>>>>> real-estate scam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not see it that way.
>>>>>>>> Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
>>>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
>>>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Airbus planes have killed people too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn
>>>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by
>>>>>>>> the same US,
>>>>>>>> worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
>>>>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes
>>>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
>>>>>>>> third world country,
>>>>>>>> a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
>>>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt
>>>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
>>>>>>>> An IQ that gete lower and lower...
>>>>>>>> dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
>>>>>>>>> electronics.
>>>>>>>>> The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
>>>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
>>>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
>>>>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no
>>>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
>>>>>>>> West coast was always part of China  :-)
>>>>>>>> More info in 'planets of the apes'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products
>>>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just
>>>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
>>>>>>>> Even better have them make products that benefit people.
>>>>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
>>>>>>>> Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How are your Russian lessons coming along?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and
>>>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
>>>>> millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.
>>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
>>>>are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had
>>>>all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
>>>>Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
>>>>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US
>>>>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly
>>>>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
>>>>to get involved in.
>>>>As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to
>>>>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
>>>>by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
>>>>kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
>>>>stupid person at all.
>>>
>>>Russia has a different history
>>>After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
>>>US wanted that too. took them years..
>>>Same for MIR space station, now ISS
>>>US looks dead to me in space,
>>>was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
>>>they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
>>>No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
>>>Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
>>>Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-). 
>>>Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
>>>And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
>>>that are worse than Hitler it seems.
>>>You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
>>>Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
>>>And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
>>>Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
>>>What a fucking mafia US is.
>>>NATO is a US weapon sales club...
>>>Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
>>>He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
>>>NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
>>>Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
>>>Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
>>>the list is endless.
>>>I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
>>>Different finance systems in use.
>>>US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
>>>it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.
>>>
>>>A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
>>>Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
>>>I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.
>>>
>>
>>The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the
>>assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia
>>and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them
>>too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence
>>the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized
>>reserve currency; just doesn't work.
>
>Let's return to the lithium standard.

Well, it is rumored that the BRICS+++ will be unveiling their new
gold-backed currency in October, plus some alternative to SWIFT. Just
a rumor at this stage but it'll be interesting to see how it pans out.