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On 3/12/2024 3:07 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <etg0vi500jelb00ghvu1o1n46i6e2mkq3v@4ax.com>,
>   shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 05:03:25 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Locking people up for crimes they might commit and life in prison for hate
>>> speech. Looks like Canadia is well on its way to the Putin-level
>>> authoritarianism.
>>>
>>> If this bill passes, you'll get significantly more time in prison in Canada
>>> for making a racist comment than you you will for raping a child.
>>>
>>> Progressivism!
>>>
>>> ----------------------------
>>> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/03/07/justin-trudeau-canada-legis
>>> lation-hate-crimes-free-speech/
>>>
>>> Justin Trudeau's government has proposed a law giving judges the power to
>>> put someone under house arrest if they fear they could commit a hate crime.
>>>
>>> Critics have warned the draconian bill is an overreach of power and could
>>> stifle free speech and difficult discussions.
>>>
>>> But Canada's justice minister defended the measure, claiming it would be an
>>> important tool to help protect potential victims.
>>
>> Who is going to protect the victims of the government putting them
>> under house arrest for the crime they might commit some day.
>>
>>> An online harms bill introduced by the Liberals last week proposed a string
>>> of laws to protect children and prosecute hate crimes.
>>>
>>> One of the suggested measures would give judges the ability to put people
>>> under house arrest who they worry could commit a hate crime in the future.
>>> The person could also be made to wear an electronic tag if the
>>> attorney-general requested it.
>>
>> So the judge is deciding if a person might commit a crime in the
>> future? Nothing could go wrong with that ability being given to judges
>> as we know they never make mistakes.
>>
>>> Arif Virani, the justice minister, said the measures could prove very
>>> important in restraining the behaviour of someone who might be targeting
>>> minority groups.
>>
>> Might being the key word
>>
>>> "[If] there's a genuine fear of an escalation, then an individual or group
>>> could come forward and seek a peace bond against them and to prevent them
>> >from doing certain things," Mr Virani said.
>>>
>>> Preventative measures could include banning the person from being near a
>>> synagogue or a mosque or restrictions on internet use.
>>
>> Again this is being discussed for what someone might do and not what
>> they actually have done? At least so far as I know when such
>> restrictions on people using the Internet in the USA it has been in
>> reaction to things that they've actually done like with Kevin Mitnick.
> 
> I've never understood how you can sentence someone to no internet use in
> today's world anyway. You use the internet in a million different ways
> every day.
> 
> How could you do any banking at all? Even in-person banking at an ATM
> uses the internet. Or pay for something with a credit/debit card? Again,
> that's using the internet.
> 
> When you get on an elevator in an office building, you're using the
> internet because the elevator is connected to the building's remote
> management system and uses the internet to control things like elevators
> from some remote location.
> 
> Driving a car uses the internet. Most modern cars have dozens of
> internet-enabled features, especially the fancier ones what can
> 'self-drive'.
> 
> Even simply watching TV now is using the internet. Not just streaming,
> either. Watching cable TV is using the internet also.
> 
> Anyone sentenced to no internet use as a condition of parole will likely
> violate it before they leave the courthouse.

That's like saying you use nuclear power if you get a suntan.