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Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount
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Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2024 13:02:26 -0400
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Skeeter wrote:
> In article <MPG.40789974c90781c6989796@news.usenetexpress.com>,
> skeeter@hotmale.com says...
>>
>> In article <jSnPN.762250$xHn7.115534@fx14.iad>, ted.street@gmail.com
>> Ted says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115
>>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <uuhjee$3ruce$1@i2pn2.org>, ted.road@qmail.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>> <MPG.40749778856be9bb98978d@news.usenetexpress.com>, >>>>>
>>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com>,
>>>>>>>>> precent@yohoo.not says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>,
>>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Why did the Romans crucify Jesus?  Because he
>>>>> had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>>    too woke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1774230983350362304>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        --bks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often emulated
>>>>>>>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy and love, but
>>>>> many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem to miss a very large
>>>>> part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic
>>>>> his virtues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be considered
>>>>>>>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern world, but his
>>>>> attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>> would be >> > especially
>>>>> radical, >>>> aligning less with the >>>>>>> conservative views of
>>>>>>>> many of >>>> his followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left
>>>>> views we now >>>> call >> > communist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of Jesusâ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or undermine his economic
>>>>>>>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in the >> > interest of preserving
>>>>>>>>> capitalism.  >>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many
>>>>>>>>> examples of Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to
>>>>> excuse >>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and
>>>>> attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>> popular
>>>>> figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is >> > only >>>>>>>
>>>>> responsible that >>>> we separate Jesusâ??  relationship with money
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>> that of any churches who stand to profit
>>>>> financially from >>>>>>> >>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations
>>>>> of his words.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We can read stories about
>>>>> Jesusâ?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> > like
>>>>> sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>> tradition now
>>>>>>>> referred to as >>>> â??communion.â? We can also see >>>>>>>
>>>>> that he has a >> > >>>> particular interest in the needs of people
>>>>> who >>>>>>> his >>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as
>>>>> women who had >>>>>>> >>>> committed adultery and those >> > with
>>>>> leprosy or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>> tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that they
>>>>>>>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on earth and that
>>>>> they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>> and money. In Matthew
>>>>> 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by >>>> people using a >> >
>>>>> temple for economic exchange, he >>>>>>> >>>> starts flipping
>>>>> tables.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> In Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches
>>>>> him for instruction and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give
>>>>> up all his possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> >
>>>>> poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      â??It is easier for a camel to go through the eye
>>>>>>>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who is rich to enter
>>>>>>>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,� Jesus said in >> > Matthew 19:24
>>>>>>>>> NIV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      This notion that a rich person would have to stop
>>>>>>>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to follow him is explicitly
>>>>>>>>> incompatible with >>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make
>>>>>>>>> people choose between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> >
>>>>>>>>> wealth unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and
>>>>> hopes >>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by
>>>>> encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his followers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Despite the context and direct nature of his
>>>>>>>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted quite
>>>>>>>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>> influential >> >
>>>>>>>>> Christians who have yet to give up their >>>>>>> possessions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Under capitalism, interpretations favored by
>>>>> rich >>>> people are >>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has
>>>>>>>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among Jesusâ??
>>>>>>>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>> warning against.
>>>>>>>>>>>> His attempts to redistribute power are >>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>> downplayed, and this >> > is interpreted instead as a story
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody is perfect.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>    SIUE is
>>>>>>>>> home to a large Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of this issue.
>>>>> All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian or otherwise, should
>>>>>>>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations of our >> > sources.
>>>>> Information >>>> is never presented >>>>>>> without an agenda, and
>>>>> it >> > is >>>> alarmingly common for >>>>>>> information to be
>>>>> presented in >>>> deceitful >> > ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      An idea as simple as â??love your neighborsâ?
>>>>> can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the exact opposite
>>>>> message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>> readers seeking to >> >
>>>>> understand Jesusâ??  >>>> words will think >>>>>>> critically about
>>>>> their own >> > >>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they
>>>>> align more closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial
>>>>>>>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> >
>>>>> political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible.  >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even start
>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>> it.  Very brief posts, otoh, almost always get
>>>>>>>>> read.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing to learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let alone
>>>>>>>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was being taught?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus and the New Testament were needed because of the
>>>>>>>>> many that >>>>>>> were unwilling to learn and follow the simple
>>>>>>>>> rules of the Old >>>>>>> Testament.  He wants you to understand
>>>>>>>>> and follow him.  It is >>>>>>> your choice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The main thing I don't like about Jesus is that he eats
>>>>>>>>> shit. It's >>>>>> disgusting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when you used to post as Scatboi, Ted, that was
>>>>>>>>> back >>>>> when I was posting as Carny....man what a ride!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I remember when you used to brag about how much shit I can
>>>>>>>>> eat, Chad.  >>>> We found it disgusting, but you were proud of
>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     >
>>>>>>>>>>>> tinw, scatboi
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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