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Subject: Re: Sermon On The Mount
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2024 15:56:15 -0400
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Skeeter wrote:
> In article <17c34d6475b325c8$147542$2601257$eadde062
> @news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says...
>>
>> Ted wrote:
>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <AQCPN.126209$zqTf.112304@fx35.iad>, ted.street@gmail.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <jSnPN.762250$xHn7.115534@fx14.iad>,
>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com Ted says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <17c2dc96aff8594a$169751$3716115
>>>>>>>> $22dd286e@news.thecubenet.com>, precent@yohoo.not says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <660d9859$0$3711207$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>, >>
>>>>>>>>> skeeterweed@photonmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <uuhjee$3ruce$1@i2pn2.org>,
>>>>>>>>> ted.road@qmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <MPG.40749778856be9bb98978d@news.usenetexpress.com>, >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> skeeter@hotmale.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <17c22d00da46064a$96254$3081049$72dd786b@news.thecubenet.com
>>>>>>>>>> , >>>> precent@yohoo.not says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <%SjON.762036$p%Mb.11195@fx15.iad>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ted.street@gmail.com >>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David LaRue wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:wjhON.99871$24ld.78660@fx07.iad:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> % wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Voice of Authority wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Why did the Romans crucify Jesus?
>>>>>>>>> Because he had >>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>>    too woke.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>> <https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1774230983350362304>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         --bks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He was also a Communist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus of Nazareth is a figure who is often
>>>>>>>>> emulated >>>> for his >>>>>>>>>> emphasis on kindness, mercy
>>>>>>>>> and love, but many >>>> of his >>>>>>> disciples >> > seem
>>>>>>>>> to miss a very large part of >>>> his teachings in >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> their attempts >> > to mimic his virtues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Many of Jesusâ?? ideas would be
>>>>>>>>> considered >>>> controversial in >>>>>>> the >> > modern
>>>>>>>>> world, but his attitudes >>>> regarding economics >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> would be >> > especially radical, >>>> aligning less with
>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> conservative views of >> > many of >>>> his
>>>>>>>>> followers and more with >>>>>>> the far-left views we now
>>>>>>>>>>>>> call >> > communist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, the mainstream interpretations of
>>>>>>>>> Jesusâ??  >>>>>>>>>>> philosophy seem >> > to ignore or
>>>>>>>>> undermine his economic >>>> ideals, >>>>>>> most often in
>>>>>>>>> the >> > interest of preserving >>>> capitalism.  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> American history has given us >> > many >>>> examples of
>>>>>>>>> Biblical >>>>>>> interpretations being used to excuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harmful institutions >>>>>>> such as slavery and
>>>>>>>>> attempt to >>>> de-radicalize >> > the image of >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> popular figures such as >>>> Martin Luther King Jr. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>> responsible that >>>> we separate
>>>>>>>>> Jesusâ??  relationship with money >> >>>>>>>> from >>>>
>>>>>>>>> that of any churches who stand to profit financially from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >> > capitalist interpretations of his
>>>>>>>>> words.  >> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We can read stories about
>>>>>>>>> Jesusâ?? emphasis on >>>> communal >>>>>>> practices, >> >
>>>>>>>>> like sharing meals and labor and >>>> starting the >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> tradition now >> > referred to as >>>> â??communion.â? We
>>>>>>>>> can also see >>>>>>> that he has a >> > >>>> particular
>>>>>>>>> interest in the needs of people who >>>>>>> his >>>>
>>>>>>>>> society would >> > rather abandon such as women who had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed adultery and those >> > with leprosy
>>>>>>>>> or physical >>>>>>>>>>> disabilities.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>> tells his followers to >>>> forgive their debtors, that
>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>> should >> > not store up >>>> treasures on
>>>>>>>>> earth and that they cannot >>>>>>> serve both God >> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and money. In Matthew 21, he becomes so >>>>>>> enraged by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people using a >> > temple for economic exchange, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> starts flipping tables.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>> Matthew 19, a rich >>>> man approaches him for instruction
>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>> Jesus >> > tells >>>> him to give up all his
>>>>>>>>> possessions and give the >>>>>>> money to >>>> the >> >
>>>>>>>>> poor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       â??It is easier for a camel to go through
>>>>>>>>> the eye >>>> of a >>>>>>> needle than >> > for someone who
>>>>>>>>> is rich to enter >>>> the Kingdom of >>>>>>> God,� Jesus
>>>>>>>>> said in >> > Matthew 19:24 >>>> NIV.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       This notion that a rich person would
>>>>>>>>> have to stop >>>> being >>>>>>> rich in >> > order to
>>>>>>>>> follow him is explicitly >>>> incompatible with >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> capitalist >> > thinking. Why make >>>> people choose
>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>> following him and pursuing >> > >>>> wealth
>>>>>>>>> unless he dislikes the >>>>>>> effects of wealth and hopes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >> > counteract them in some way >>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>> encouraging an >>>> alternative lifestyle >> > among his
>>>>>>>>> followers?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Despite the context and direct nature of
>>>>>>>>> his >>>> statement, it >>>>>>> seems >> > to be interpreted
>>>>>>>>> quite >>>> differently by many wealthy and >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> influential >> > >>>> Christians who have yet to give up
>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>> possessions.  >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Under
>>>>>>>>> capitalism, interpretations favored by rich >>>> people are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> given >> > more of a platform. This has >>>>
>>>>>>>>> created the exact type of >>>>>>> hierarchy >> > among
>>>>>>>>> Jesusâ??  >>>> fans that he devoted so much time to >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> warning against.  >> >>>>> His attempts to redistribute
>>>>>>>>> power are >>>>>>> often >>>> downplayed, and this >> > is
>>>>>>>>> interpreted instead as a story >>>>>>>>>>> about how nobody
>>>>>>>>> is perfect.  >> > >>>>>>>>>> SIUE is >>>> home to a large
>>>>>>>>> Christian population, including 20 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christian organizations, whose members I sincerely hope
>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> avoid >> > such a convenient dismissal of
>>>>>>>>> this issue.  All >>>> of us at >>>>>>> SIUE, >> > Christian
>>>>>>>>> or otherwise, should >>>> question the >>>>>>> motivations
>>>>>>>>> of our >> > sources.  Information >>>> is never presented
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without an agenda, and it >> > is >>>> alarmingly
>>>>>>>>> common for >>>>>>> information to be presented in >>>>
>>>>>>>>> deceitful >> > ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       An idea as simple as â??love your
>>>>>>>>> neighbors� can >>>> be used >>>>>>> to promote >> > the
>>>>>>>>> exact opposite message. I >>>> hope that any >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> readers seeking to >> > understand Jesusâ??  >>>> words
>>>>>>>>> will think >>>>>>> critically about their own >> > >>>>
>>>>>>>>> ideologies as well and whether >>>>>>> they align more
>>>>>>>>> closely >>>> with the >> > whitewashed commercial >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> version that grants >>>> wishes or the radical >> >
>>>>>>>>> political figure >>>>>>> portrayed in >>>> the Bible.  >> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody reads anything this long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. In fact, the motivation is not to even
>>>>>>>>> start >>>> reading >>>>>>>> it.  Very brief posts, otoh,
>>>>>>>>> almost always get >>>> read.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus (and God) taught those that were willing
>>>>>>>>> to learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you were unwilling to read a few words, let
>>>>>>>>> alone >>>> books, how do >>>>>>> you hope to learn what was
>>>>>>>>> being taught?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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