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On 4/5/2024 9:37 AM, FPP wrote:
> On 4/4/24 10:53 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 4/4/2024 8:06 PM, FPP wrote:
>>> On 4/4/24 11:31 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>> On 4/4/2024 6:51 AM, FPP wrote:
>>>>> On 4/3/24 2:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one 
>>>>>>>>>> of her family's
>>>>>>>>> dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over 
>>>>>>>>> the Easter
>>>>>>>>> weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on 
>>>>>>>>> Instagram on
>>>>>>>>> Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery 
>>>>>>>>> person after he
>>>>>>>>> dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart 
>>>>>>>>>> shot & killed
>>>>>>>>> our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos 
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN 
>>>>>>>>> shot our
>>>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>>>> Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then 
>>>>>>>>> knew he
>>>>>>>>> wasn’t
>>>>>>>>> being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed 
>>>>>>>>> self-defense. He
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He 
>>>>>>>>> was shopping
>>>>>>>>> under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my 
>>>>>>>>> daughters and
>>>>>>>>> myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. 
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did."
>>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>>> are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of 
>>>>>>>>> our beloved
>>>>>>>>> boy and family member."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to 
>>>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this 
>>>>>>>>>> incident. We have no
>>>>>>>>> tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was 
>>>>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>>>>> suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct 
>>>>>>>>> contact with
>>>>>>>>> the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
>>>>>>>>> investigation."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department 
>>>>>>>>>> to TMZ, law
>>>>>>>>> enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver 
>>>>>>>>> claimed he shot
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> dog in self-defense.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at 
>>>>>>>>>> the residence to
>>>>>>>>> deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog 
>>>>>>>>> attacked him
>>>>>>>>> while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by 
>>>>>>>>> firing a
>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>> gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog 
>>>>>>>>> was present at
>>>>>>>>> the residence but did not attack."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They added that the department's Animal Control division was 
>>>>>>>>>> also involved in
>>>>>>>>> the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that 
>>>>>>>>> no charges
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> been filed against the driver at this time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The police department added that it was not seeking out any 
>>>>>>>>>> other individuals
>>>>>>>>> in response to the shooting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to 
>>>>>>>>> the front of
>>>>>>>>> the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get 
>>>>>>>>> stolen all the
>>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
>>>>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
>>>>>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is 
>>>>>>>> locked to
>>>>>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the 
>>>>>>>>> front door. I
>>>>>>>>> thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside 
>>>>>>>>> to see that
>>>>>>>>> her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it 
>>>>>>>>> knew.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
>>>>>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
>>>>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring 
>>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>>> unless he delivered items there before.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in 
>>>>>>>>> your life
>>>>>>>>> happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring 
>>>>>>>>> doorbell video
>>>>>>>>> which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this 
>>>>>>>>> campaign?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on 
>>>>>>>>> Instacart,
>>>>>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes 
>>>>>>>>> and steals
>>>>>>>>> their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals 
>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect 
>>>>>>>> anything to
>>>>>>>> happen to him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're kidding, right?  Without him having proof of self defense, 
>>>>>>> he's going to get his ass sued off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if 
>>>>>>> anything, he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he 
>>>>>>> has one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with 
>>>>>> zero provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow, pig.  So you've never been on a jury before, have you?
>>>>
>>>> No, I fail the voir dire.  But in this instance it's the word of the 
>>>> victim and only witness against the owners' speculative "certainty".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The guy doing the shooting is the one who needs to show his reason 
>>> for shooting in the first place.
>>>
>>> You don't want to believe that people treat animals badly?  Do you 
>>> live under a rock?
>>
>> I couldn't convict the guy based simply on my angry suspicions.
>>
>>
> 
> What provocation justifies killing an animal?  Because unless there was 
> some kind of justification, he shot a dog in the dog's own home.
> 
> You condone abusing animals that haven't done anything to warrant it?

In this instance, it seems to be a question of evidence, and there's 
only the victim's.  It'd take a helluva lot of testimony about past 
behavior -- probably about both victim and dog -- to outweigh that.