Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 05:03:52 -0500
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
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On 6/22/24 3:54 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 6/22/2024 11:46 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 6/21/24 12:59 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <v52nan$2v630$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/20/24 9:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <v52kf9$2qv7o$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/19/24 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <v4vh5f$258cf$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2024 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4v8jq$23o16$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4tfnl$1ons5$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4t1nu$1ig6v$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4s1kl$1c3jr$5@dont-email.me>, FPP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one shot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> combination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such parts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> person."[10]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law is far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be yet again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> context of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1000-page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administrative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and near-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "spirit",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crayons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> myself,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger pull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after every round.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> as fast as
>>>>>>>>>>>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> works more
>>>>>>>>>>>> efficiently.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate 
>>>>>>>>>>>> "machine
>>>>>>>>>>>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> fire is
>>>>>>>>>>>> actually irrelevant to the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary 
>>>>>>>>>>> can do an
>>>>>>>>>>> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our
>>>>>>>>>> government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that
>>>>>>>>>> Congress is the only body granted the authority by the 
>>>>>>>>>> Constitution to
>>>>>>>>>> legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like 
>>>>>>>>>> BATF, and
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>> Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to 
>>>>>>>>>> incorporate
>>>>>>>>>> bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF 
>>>>>>>>>> has no
>>>>>>>>>> authority to do it for them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Machine gun:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
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