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Subject: Re: InstaCart Delivery Guy Shoots and Kills One of Angie Harmon's Dogs
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2024 00:30:11 -0400
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 22:51:36 -0400, moviePig <never@nothere.com> wrote:

>On 4/4/2024 9:09 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
>> On 4/4/2024 8:28 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 4/4/2024 6:08 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 4/3/24 1:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 4/3/2024 5:59 AM, FPP wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/3/24 4:38 AM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Apr 2024 23:45:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-13261563/Angie-Harmon-reveals-Instacart-driver-shot-KILLED-dogs.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The actress Angie Harmon shared the devastating news that one of 
>>>>>>>>> her family's
>>>>>>>> dogs was shot and killed by an InstaCart delivery person over the 
>>>>>>>> Easter
>>>>>>>> weekend. The 51-year-old former LAW & ORDER star revealed on 
>>>>>>>> Instagram on
>>>>>>>> Monday that her dog Oliver had been killed by the delivery person 
>>>>>>>> after he
>>>>>>>> dropped off groceries to their home in Charlotte, North Carolina.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "This Easter weekend a man delivering groceries for InstaCart 
>>>>>>>>> shot & killed
>>>>>>>> our precious Oliver," she wrote, alongside several sweet photos 
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> deceased pet. "He got out of his car, delivered the food & THEN 
>>>>>>>> shot our
>>>>>>>> dog.
>>>>>>>> Our Ring camera was charging in the house, which he saw & then 
>>>>>>>> knew he
>>>>>>>> wasn’t
>>>>>>>> being recorded. The police let him go because he claimed 
>>>>>>>> self-defense. He
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> not have a scratch or bite on him nor were his pants torn. He was 
>>>>>>>> shopping
>>>>>>>> under a woman's identity named Merle. He shot our dog with my 
>>>>>>>> daughters and
>>>>>>>> myself at home and just kept saying, "Yeah, I shot your dog. 
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I did."
>>>>>>>> We
>>>>>>>> are completely traumatized and beyond devastated at the loss of 
>>>>>>>> our beloved
>>>>>>>> boy and family member."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> InstaCart responded to Harmon's claims with a statement to 
>>>>>>>>> DailyMail.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We were deeply saddened and disturbed to hear about this 
>>>>>>>>> incident. We have no
>>>>>>>> tolerance for violence of any kind and the shopper account was 
>>>>>>>> immediately
>>>>>>>> suspended from our platform," it said. "We have been in direct 
>>>>>>>> contact with
>>>>>>>> the customer and are cooperating with law enforcement on their
>>>>>>>> investigation."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In an update from the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department to 
>>>>>>>>> TMZ, law
>>>>>>>> enforcement officials confirmed that the InstaCart driver claimed 
>>>>>>>> he shot
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> dog in self-defense.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The investigation revealed that a delivery driver arrived at 
>>>>>>>>> the residence to
>>>>>>>> deliver consumable goods. The driver told officers that a dog 
>>>>>>>> attacked him
>>>>>>>> while he was at the residence and that he defended himself by 
>>>>>>>> firing a
>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>> gunshot, striking and mortally wounding the dog. Another dog was 
>>>>>>>> present at
>>>>>>>> the residence but did not attack."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They added that the department's Animal Control division was 
>>>>>>>>> also involved in
>>>>>>>> the response to the shooting but the department confirmed that no 
>>>>>>>> charges
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> been filed against the driver at this time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The police department added that it was not seeking out any 
>>>>>>>>> other individuals
>>>>>>>> in response to the shooting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve looked at the postings online and have some questions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ring doorbells are rechargeable? You can just stick them up to 
>>>>>>>> the front of
>>>>>>>> the house and move them in and out? How come they don’t get 
>>>>>>>> stolen all the
>>>>>>>> time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, that has to be the case because most of them (all that I see
>>>>>>> around here) are just stuck to the door so there's no power
>>>>>>> connection. I haven't checked but assumed that the ring is locked to
>>>>>>> the case until you use the app to unlock the ring device.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The groceries delivered Were a very small package left at the 
>>>>>>>> front door. I
>>>>>>>> thought from the story presented he/she/it must’ve come inside to 
>>>>>>>> see that
>>>>>>>> her ring doorbell was recharging. So I’m not sure how he/she/it 
>>>>>>>> knew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume the actual device was missing (since it was inside
>>>>>>> recharging) so the easier way to put it is that the driver saw that
>>>>>>> there was no camera. He may not even have known they had a Ring 
>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>> unless he delivered items there before.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ring is currently heavily advertising that every big moment in 
>>>>>>>> your life
>>>>>>>> happens on your front porch and is captured by your ring doorbell 
>>>>>>>> video
>>>>>>>> which is just galactically stupid but will they continue this 
>>>>>>>> campaign?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wonder what Instacart and the local police policy is on Instacart,
>>>>>>>> drivers carrying weapons, potentially concealed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My guess is just the what ever the local laws are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They won’t do anything to he/she/it. PETA goes to peoples homes 
>>>>>>>> and steals
>>>>>>>> their animals and kills them because they don’t think animals 
>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>> pets and it’s just a small fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, without a video of what the guy did I don't expect anything to
>>>>>>> happen to him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're kidding, right?  Without him having proof of self defense, 
>>>>>> he's going to get his ass sued off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as criminal charges go, that'll depend on what, if anything, 
>>>>>> he's charged with - as well as his past record, if he has one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to believe there are people who'd shoot a dog with zero 
>>>>> provocation, and I'm guessing a jury might not want to either.
>>>>
>>>> You're confused.  Try "not enough provocation."  A dog growling isn't 
>>>> reason to execute it.
>>>
>>> "Not enough" is much more subjective than "zero".
>>>
>> I have the feeling the dog was walking up to the InstaCart person 
>> looking for a scritch or petting.
>
>Frankly, I do too.  Otoh, my personal bias is that any grownup should be 
>willing to endure some minor mauling rather than to open fire.
>
>

The sad thing is you can't always tell what the dog is going to do. I
run into dogs being walked by their owners all the time and most dogs
are just happy to see anyone but I've run into a few who seemed like
they wanted some attention as they came over to me as I was walking by
but clearly didn't actually want to be touched. That's taught me to
always be cautious when going to pet a dog even though the owner is
right there so I'll keep my fingers closed in my hand just in case the
dog wants to take a nip.


That said I can't imagine why the guy is running around with a gun. If
he's just worried about pets attacking him a gun is massive overkill
when something like pepper spray would do the job and not cause
permanent harm or death.