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From: Martin Harran <martinharran@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: CONTRARY EVIDENCE (WASRe: Evide)nce!
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2024 12:16:28 +0000
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On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:39:16 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:

>Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:34:37 -0400, Ron Dean
>> <rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Martin Harran wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 18:06:05 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>>>> <me@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-03-28 16:52:50 +0000, Mark Isaak said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/26/24 10:29 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/25/24 10:26 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/23/24 4:31 PM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Ron Dean <rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [snip
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what about people for whom theism is their greatest motivator, such
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as Obama bin Laden? Cynicism seems a rational response.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that Obama bin Laden is typical of Islam? If so,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're probably right.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My apologies to Mark as I just Chez Watted this without realizing Mark had
>>>>>>>>>>> originally posted Osama bin Laden and in Ron Dean’s reply Mark’s spelling
>>>>>>>>>>> morphed to Obama bin Laden matching Ron Dean’s spelling. I wonder what that
>>>>>>>>>>> indicates about Ron Dean…
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even without the typo, Ron's reply shows that he is grossly bigoted
>>>>>>>>>> against Arabs and Moslems. The typo suggests that Blacks and Democrats
>>>>>>>>>> may be added to the list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here you are so unfair.  It's easy to make accusations and charges
>>>>>>>>> without even attempting to support them. This in and of itself
>>>>>>>>> demonstrates your extreme bias and hatred of anyone with a
>>>>>>>>> point of view, opinion or belief different from yours.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The support for your bigotry against Moslems is in your own post, and
>>>>>>>> that bigotry in turn is support for a suggestion of further bigotry. I
>>>>>>>> must admit that I had not considered the intervention of a
>>>>>>>> spell-checker. I have never known a spell-checker, uninvited, to alter
>>>>>>>> text that the user did not type himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I asked a question. "Are you suggesting that Osama bin Laden is typical
>>>>>>> of Islam? If so (if you confirmed) you are probably right". If you
>>>>>>> failed. I placed the burden on you! (Note here I defeated my
>>>>>>> spell-checker)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you honestly not recognize the overt bigotry in what you just
>>>>>> repeated? It is really extremely gross and unforgivable.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the Muslims that I know (all highly educated women, at the moment)
>>>>> are perfectly decent people. All of them would be very insulted to be
>>>>> described as typical of Osama Ben Laden. None of them wear veils. A few
>>>>> years ago there was a student who did wear a veil, but that was only in
>>>>> her second when her husband came to join the institute. In her first
>>>>> year she didn't, and was perfectly happy to have her photo taken (by
>>>>> me) for a seminar series that my wife was organizing. She likewise had
>>>>> nothing in common with Osama Ben Laden.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that bigots are generally unable to recognise their own
>>>> bigotry. When Ron Dean says that Osama bin Laden [1] is probably
>>>> typical of Islam, he simply doesn't realise how that shows his bigotry
>>>> towards Islam - I suspect that in his case, like most bigots IME, that
>>>> bigotry is based on total ignorance of the subject about which he is
>>>> bigoted.
>>>>
>>> I never said he is typical. I asked the question.
>> 
>> You asked a question and followed it with your own opinion:
>> 
>> <quote>
>> 
>> "Are you suggesting that Obama bin Laden is typical of Islam? If so,
>> you're probably right."
> >
>If so, you're probably right, If not, you are probably right.

Perhaps in some remote universe or some far-flung corner of your mind,
that response has some meaning but I guess I'm just not smart enough
to grasp it.

>> 
>> </quote>
>> 
>>>>
>>>> [1] I'm assuming his changing of that to Obama was unintentional
>>>> though I could easily be convinced otherwise.
>>>>
>>> It was the spell checker. And me not checking after the spell-checker!
>>