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Subject: Re: Can Jews be Nazis?
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john larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 20 May 2024 09:33:29 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> john larkin wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 May 2024 11:40:06 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/20/2024 9:57 AM, john larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 19 May 24 23:57:56 UTC, NefeshBarYochai <void@invalid.noy>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BY STEPHEN F. EISENMAN
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For many people, the question is inflammatory. The crimes of the
>>>>>> German Nazis were of such magnitude that comparison with any other
>>>>>> historical violence is invidious. The genocide of the Jews was
>>>>>> deliberate and methodical and intended to eliminate every last one.
>>>>>> The goal was the same with the Romani and Sinti people. By comparison,
>>>>>> the Israelis – currently accused of genocide — are rank amateurs. They
>>>>>> have so far killed some 35,000 Palestinians in Gaza out of a
>>>>>> population of 2.3 million.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the question, “Can Jews be Nazis?” is nevertheless important for
>>>>>> challenging claims of moral inoculation by virtue of the Jewish
>>>>>> experience of the Holocaust. If Israeli leaders are indeed committing
>>>>>> a genocide in Gaza – as seems the case — they inhabit the same moral
>>>>>> universe as the German Nazis, regardless of the suffering of past
>>>>>> generations. In addition to the 35,000 killed, the war in Gaza has
>>>>>> injured another 75,000 and displaced 2 million. Most of the victims
>>>>>> are women and children – how can their deaths be justified? Israeli
>>>>>> cabinet ministers, Knesset members, military personnel, and police
>>>>>> have all freely spoken of their wish to force Palestinians into Egypt,
>>>>>> establish Jewish-only settlements in Gaza, and even use an atomic bomb
>>>>>> to kill everyone in the Gaza strip. (U.S. senator Lindsay Graham
>>>>>> recently also suggested using a nuclear weapon against Gaza.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At the end of WWII, German cities and industry were heaps of burnt
>>>>> rubble, much worse than Gaza today. Half of Germany was occupied by
>>>>> the USSR. About 6 million jews had been starved and gassed to death by
>>>>> the nazis. About 100 million people died in WWII.
>>>>>
>>>>> Israel wants to survive and is arguably doing what it must do to
>>>>> survive. The bad guys aren't Israel, they are Iran and Hamas and the
>>>>> many other savages, kidnappers, bombers, and rapists.
>>>>>
>>>>> The extreme islamists want to kill all the jews and take their land.
>>>>> The citizens of Israel of course object. Thay have atom bombs and
>>>>> havedn't used them, even after the drons attacks from Iran.
>>>>
>>>> If heavily nuclear-armed nations still routinely feel in great danger of
>>>> their sovereignty and land being taken then it's hard to know what else
>>>> to do for them that could make them feel any safer.
>>>>
>>>>> Long-term, Israel can't allow Iran to have nukes, because they know
>>>>> that Iran will use them on Israeli cities and welcome retaliation as
>>>>> blessed martyrdom.
>>>
>>> Exacrly.  What's scary is that the extremist islamists are eager for
>>> martyrdom, especially somebody else's. The lunatics in Iran may think
>>> that a nuclear exchange is worth it if it kills a lot of jews.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Iran has probably noticed that no nuclear-armed state has ever been
>>>> conquered, it's unclear if Israel knows.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Iranian leadership no doubt has nuke-proof tunnel complexes, built
>>> at great expense. Strange how some people like to live underground.
>>> Sounds nasty and stinky to me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> anything to bugger the americans ,
>> who want to lay claim to all the land
> 
> The US has not forcibly acquired land since the war with Mexico. The
> central USA and Alaska were purchased. The people of Alaska and Hawaii
> voted to become states. The people of Puerto Rico can vote to be a
> state or to be an independent country.
> 
> Some countries and their kings or dictators, throughout history, have
> wanted to acquire territory, even when they are busy trashing their
> own conntries. That is really weird and it's still happening now.
> Stupid tribalism.
> 
sure they have , no matter who goes to war they are there ,
no one asks them to stick their nose it but oh how they do ,
then they send in the canadian peace keepers