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From: John Larkin <jl@997PotHill.com>
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Subject: Re: Raspberry Pi5 versus other cheap Intel based boxes for general computing
Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:14:04 -0700
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On Thu, 4 Apr 2024 10:19:06 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

>On 03/04/2024 16:54, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024 17:38:29 +0200, Jeroen Belleman
>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 4/3/24 16:57, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 03 Apr 2024 05:21:26 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What somone learned when he replaced a cheap Pi 5 PC with a no-name Amazon mini desktop
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/what-i-learned-when-i-replaced-my-cheap-pi-5-pc-with-a-no-name-amazon-mini-desktop/
>>>>>
>>>>> All that said, I post this from a Pi4 8GB, it is sometimes really slow,
>>>>> but I like and use the GPIO port.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Considering how important a computer is to our professional and
>>>> personal lives, why do people go to great effort to save a few
>>>> dollars?
>>>>
>>>> If a cheap PC fails, it will take days of your time, or more likely
>>>> weeks, to recover.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If an expensive one fails, it takes just a much.
>
>It is sometimes worth paying a premium to have a machine that is fast 
>enough for your immediate project needs (even if cheaper ones are more 
>easily available). You pay quite a high premium for that last bit of 
>performance when it is still very new.
>>>
>>> Jeroen Belleman
>> 
>> Presumably it fails less often. Cheap electrolytics, cheap fans,
>> under-cooled parts will fail.
>
>Some of the best designed PCs are from the gaming community suppliers. 
>If you remove the graphics card entirely the main CPU graphics system is 
>more than good enough for all 2D design and some 3D rendering work.
>
>They perform incredibly well and have huge slow fans so under ordinary 
>heavy loads they remain very quiet. Ones intended for corporate office 
>workers tend to have inadequate power supplies and small noisy fans 
>reflecting their typical workload and noisy environment.
>
>> I just bought four new identical tower PCs, for work, home, cabin, and
>> a spare. Once my main box was set up, we cloned the SS drives to the
>> other three. So if my work PC dies, I have three others available.
>
>Your choice but owning several machines of the same vintage leaves you 
>exposed to any glitches in the new machines or their OS's. MS has been 
>known to brick portables on Win10/11 from time to time - not fun at all.
>
>> They have identical monitors too, so my desktop won't go crazy if the
>> video resolution changes. I hate when that happens.
>
>That is a bit OCD.

And that is a bit rude.