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On May 23, 2024 at 7:29:19 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On 5/23/2024 6:43 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>  In article <v2obln$1ubc9$1@dont-email.me>,
>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>  
>>>  On 5/23/2024 4:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>  In article <v2o7bi$1tkcc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  On 5/23/2024 2:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>  In article <v2ns6e$1rgqc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>      moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  On 5/22/2024 12:57 PM, Rhino wrote:
>>>>>>>>  Once again, Leo Kearse hits it out of the park:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5uW1Htq7XU [10 minutes]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I listened to enough to hear the claim that truth is a defense
>>>>>>>  against a charge of "incitement to hatred" ...which, obviously,
>>>>>>>  it isn't.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  As I said, the truth is now illegal.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  But neither should citing the government's own crime statistics in a
>>>>>>  discussion about public policy be considered "incitement to hatred"
>>>>>>  merely because it undermines the government's immigration agenda.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  As I said, an "incitement to hatred" needn't carry any lie.
>>>> 
>>>>  And expanding on what I said, if you make truth illegal because you've
>>>>  created circumstances that allow you to claim it leads to some nebulous
>>>>  concept of 'hatred', then you've successfully muzzled all political
>>>>  opposition and have created a dictatorial society where anyone who
>>>>  speaks against you is criminalized.
>>>> 
>>>>  And this all comes from the people who are constantly bleating about
>>>>  the need to "protect muh democracy!"
>>> 
>>>  There are enough laws, rules, regulations, and statutes in the world to
>>>  allow anyone to be prosecuted for (or exonerated of) anything.  The
>>>  ultimate trial arena is always in the mind of the ultimate presiding
>>>  judge.  So, if you mean to defend against this "incitement of hatred"
>>>  charge, you'll have to argue either that the very concept is
>>>  unconstitutional
>>  
>>  Well, we're talking about Germany here not America, so
>>  'unconstitutional' isn't on the table, but yes, if this kind of law were
>>  to be passed here, it would absolutely without question be
>>  unconstitutional.
>>  
>>>  or that there's no valid reason it applies here.
>>  
>>  There's no valid reason it should apply anywhere.
> 
> Yet "incitement to hate" is a thing you recognize and deplore.  (Isn't 
> it?)  How is its subjectivity different from that of pornography?


https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1781169843351298050/vid/avc1/356x270/lHOICO1gYm5AAqF8.mp4?tag=14

Incitement to hate? Should they all be arrested?