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On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 22:27:57 +0100, Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 12:11:46 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff
>><dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>>>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
>>>>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
>>>>> semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap
>>>>>>>>>> plications
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good grief. Crazy numbers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a normal ratio.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> RL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in
>>>>>>>> one year is absurd.  It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese
>>>>>>>> real-estate scam.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not see it that way.
>>>>>>> Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
>>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
>>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Airbus planes have killed people too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn
>>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by
>>>>>>> the same US,
>>>>>>> worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
>>>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes
>>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
>>>>>>> third world country,
>>>>>>> a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
>>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt
>>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
>>>>>>> An IQ that gete lower and lower...
>>>>>>> dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
>>>>>>>> electronics.
>>>>>>>> The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
>>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
>>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
>>>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no
>>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
>>>>>>> West coast was always part of China  :-)
>>>>>>> More info in 'planets of the apes'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products
>>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just
>>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
>>>>>>> Even better have them make products that benefit people.
>>>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
>>>>>>> Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are your Russian lessons coming along?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and
>>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.
>>>> 
>>>> We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
>>>> millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
>>>are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had
>>>all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
>>>Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
>>>defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US
>>>can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly
>>>affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
>>>to get involved in.
>>>As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to
>>>its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
>>>by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
>>>kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
>>>stupid person at all.
>>
>>Russia has a different history
>>After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
>>US wanted that too. took them years..
>>Same for MIR space station, now ISS
>>US looks dead to me in space,
>>was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
>>they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
>>No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
>>Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
>>Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-). 
>>Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
>>And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
>>that are worse than Hitler it seems.
>>You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
>>Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
>>And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
>>Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
>>What a fucking mafia US is.
>>NATO is a US weapon sales club...
>>Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
>>He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
>>NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
>>Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
>>Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
>>the list is endless.
>>I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
>>Different finance systems in use.
>>US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
>>it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.
>>
>>A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
>>Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
>>I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.
>>
>
>The US made a huge mistake in weaponizing the dollar and seizing the
>assets of other countries. People have seen what happened with Russia
>and have to now plan for the possibility that could happen to them
>too, even if they currently enjoy good relations with the US. Hence
>the phenomenon of de-dollarization. You can't have a politicized
>reserve currency; just doesn't work.

Let's return to the lithium standard.